Re: [SITE] navigation

2011-10-13 Thread David Crossley
Christian Grobmeier wrote: David Crossley wrote: The Incubator website has many documentation pages and sections. ... Another aspect that needs attention is the recent changes to link colours, which have removed the ability to know where one has been. ... It is important to be able

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache Deltacloud 0.4.1 (incubating)

2011-10-13 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Slowly I begin to understand this is a non-apache package, correct? otherwise I would expect the link to an ASF git mirror instead Yeah, I think we need to tweak the stylesheet. The 'Additional Tools' header doesn't stand out enough, and doesn't make it clear that this is additional stuff,

Re: [SITE] navigation

2011-10-13 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Another reason I don't see the need to change visited link colors is the nature of the docs. I mean they are docs. Do you read docs only one time? Not me, I read it often, it is unnecessary for know where I was already. This is only necesasry if I have the same link pointing to a page a

Re: [SITE] navigation

2011-10-13 Thread Christian Grobmeier
This usability principle is even more important for documentation. OK, and if you do not hit the link but scroll over the content then how do you mark you link visited? Incubator pages are huge, people are scrolling not clicking back and forth just to mark the link visited. So you end up

Re: [SITE] navigation

2011-10-13 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:28 AM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: The Incubator website has many documentation pages and sections. It is especially important for incoming projects to be able to easily navigate our documentation quagmire. Of course also important for Mentors. Some

Re: [SITE] Samples of site with different CSS settings

2011-10-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Sebb, On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:46 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: ... http://people.apache.org/~sebb/incubator/ ... the directories are: current - as for existing CSS files bootstrap - css files as per original commit of bootstrap I can easily create other samples with different CSS

Re: [SITE] navigation

2011-10-13 Thread David Crossley
Here is a solution which should meet the quest for appealing and also meet the quest for usability. This intends to use the same colour that bootstrap uses for a:hover. I presume that they have used a dull variant of the link colour. If anyone can work out the exact colour by looking at the

Re: [SITE] navigation

2011-10-13 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:49 AM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: Here is a solution which should meet the quest for appealing and also meet the quest for usability. It is not complete. This does not make sure how scrolling people change their link color to visited. If two colors,

Re: Interest in Apache beanshell incubation?

2011-10-13 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Ciao Simone; Unfortunately I don't have much time these days either, and while there is already a development community around beanshell, we really need someone Apache to lead. For now I am really glad they are moving the license to AL2, this will raise even more interest in ASF. best regards,

Re: Interest in Apache beanshell incubation?

2011-10-13 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:14 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 October 2011 21:34, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Perhaps someone already used to Apache ways, would like to take the lead in an incubation process? I'd certainly be interested in helping as a committer, and could

Podling status summary - expand details for graduated/retired/dormant projects?

2011-10-13 Thread sebb
The graduated podling list does not make it easy to find the new home of a project. One has to click on the status page link and hope that the status page has been updated with the new TLP details. For example, Abdera does not show the new URL; ActiveMQ does. But even if the status pages were all

Re: [SITE] Samples of site with different CSS settings

2011-10-13 Thread sebb
On 13 October 2011 08:45, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: Hi Sebb, On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:46 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: ... http://people.apache.org/~sebb/incubator/ ... the directories are: current - as for existing CSS files bootstrap - css files as per

Re: [SITE] Samples of site with different CSS settings

2011-10-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:57 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 October 2011 08:45, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: ...I prefer the bootstrap variant with the subtler colors. Unfortunately the colours don't work with the clutch table:

Re: [SITE] navigation

2011-10-13 Thread sebb
On 13 October 2011 08:49, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: Here is a solution which should meet the quest for appealing and also meet the quest for usability. This intends to use the same colour that bootstrap uses for a:hover. I presume that they have used a dull variant of the

Re: [SITE] Samples of site with different CSS settings

2011-10-13 Thread Christian Grobmeier
for clutch, adding this CSS works for me:  #clutch .cool1, #clutch .cool1 a { color:white; } See http://dl.dropbox.com/u/715349/tmp/clutch.jpg -Bertrand Very much +1 on what Bertrand suggests Cheers - To unsubscribe,

Re: [SITE] Samples of site with different CSS settings

2011-10-13 Thread sebb
On 13 October 2011 13:15, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:57 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 October 2011 08:45, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: ...I prefer the bootstrap variant with the subtler colors. Unfortunately the

Re: [SITE] Samples of site with different CSS settings

2011-10-13 Thread sebb
On 13 October 2011 13:54, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 October 2011 13:15, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:57 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 October 2011 08:45, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: ...I prefer the

Re: [SITE] navigation

2011-10-13 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 08:39:40AM +0100, ant elder wrote: I don't want to get in the way of those who are doing all this good work with the website but my 2c's is I also would prefer visited links to have a different colour. +1 http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=986066 This

Re: [SITE] Samples of site with different CSS settings

2011-10-13 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 09:45:59AM +0200, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: A nice side-effect of improving the site looks is that it should prompt someone to improve the incubator logo ;-) Here is an incremental improvement I did a while back, designed to be drop-in compatible with the current

Re: [SITE] navigation

2011-10-13 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 08:39:40AM +0100, ant elder wrote: I don't want to get in the way of those who are doing all this good work with the website but my 2c's is I also would prefer visited links to have a

Re: [SITE] Samples of site with different CSS settings

2011-10-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 09:45:59AM +0200, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: A nice side-effect of improving the site looks is that it should prompt someone to improve the incubator logo ;-) Here is an incremental

[SITE] change to relative links + change to use id for anchors

2011-10-13 Thread sebb
I think it would be useful to use relative links where possible throughout the Incubator site. Also, by switching to using h2 id=anchor rather than h2a name=anchor will avoid having to distinguish links from anchors, at least in the Anakia-generated output. Both of these will change just about

Re: [SITE] change to relative links + change to use id for anchors

2011-10-13 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:53 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: I think it would be useful to use relative links where possible throughout the Incubator site. Also, by switching to using h2 id=anchor rather than h2a name=anchor will avoid having to distinguish links from anchors, at least in

Re: [SITE] navigation

2011-10-13 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 03:09:08PM +0200, Christian Grobmeier wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 08:39:40AM +0100, ant elder wrote: I don't want to get in the way of those who are doing all this good work with the

Re: [SITE] navigation

2011-10-13 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Unfortunately the pdf is not free and so we cannot look what exactly has an impact. Sorry, here is a free link:    http://ix.cs.uoregon.edu/~hornof/downloads/CHI04_Link.pdf Thank you very much, I will read it pretty soon Because, if some links are marked visited, and some - even when read

Re: Podling status summary - expand details for graduated/retired/dormant projects?

2011-10-13 Thread Donald Whytock
So...a url attribute that takes precedence when present, otherwise the link is derived from the podling name? Or should the url attribute be default-filled for all cases? - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Podling status summary - expand details for graduated/retired/dormant projects?

2011-10-13 Thread sebb
On 13 October 2011 16:00, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote: So...a url attribute that takes precedence when present, otherwise the link is derived from the podling name?  Or should the url attribute be default-filled for all cases? No, the URL I referred to would only apply to

Re: Podling status summary - expand details for graduated/retired/dormant projects?

2011-10-13 Thread Donald Whytock
Right, but unless the podling changes its name on graduation it's still going to be relatively standard, right? project.apache.org vs incubator.apache.org/project? Since I still have the script handy, shall I kick out a new podlings.xml, with a url attribute pre-filled using the above for

Re: Podling status summary - expand details for graduated/retired/dormant projects?

2011-10-13 Thread sebb
On 13 October 2011 16:29, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote: Right, but unless the podling changes its name on graduation it's still going to be relatively standard, right?  project.apache.org vs incubator.apache.org/project? Not necessarily. Some graduate as part of a TLP. Since I

[jira] [Resolved] (INCUBATOR-117) Bootstrap CSS messes up display of a name internal link definitions

2011-10-13 Thread Sebb (Resolved) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-117?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Sebb resolved INCUBATOR-117. Resolution: Fixed Patch applied Bootstrap CSS messes up display of a name internal

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation of Deltacloud to TLP

2011-10-13 Thread David Lutterkort
One small correction to the draft resolution: On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 17:03 -0700, David Lutterkort wrote: RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Deltacloud Project: * Marios Andreou

Re: [SITE] navigation

2011-10-13 Thread David Crossley
sebb wrote: David Crossley wrote: Here is a solution which should meet the quest for appealing and also meet the quest for usability. This intends to use the same colour that bootstrap uses for a:hover. I presume that they have used a dull variant of the link colour. If anyone

Re: [SITE] Samples of site with different CSS settings

2011-10-13 Thread David Crossley
Note that there is no distinction between links and plain text in either case (except on hover). I think that needs to be fixed. Could people please just concentrate on the rest of the site. I have already been addressing the Clutch table and colours (and other aspects of its page) as we

Re: [SITE] change to relative links + change to use id for anchors

2011-10-13 Thread David Crossley
sebb wrote: I think it would be useful to use relative links where possible throughout the Incubator site. Also, by switching to using h2 id=anchor rather than h2a name=anchor will avoid having to distinguish links from anchors, at least in the Anakia-generated output. Both of these will

Re: [SITE] navigation

2011-10-13 Thread sebb
On 13 October 2011 23:00, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: sebb wrote: David Crossley wrote: Here is a solution which should meet the quest for appealing and also meet the quest for usability. This intends to use the same colour that bootstrap uses for a:hover. I presume

Re: [SITE] change to relative links + change to use id for anchors

2011-10-13 Thread sebb
On 14 October 2011 01:02, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: sebb wrote: I think it would be useful to use relative links where possible throughout the Incubator site. Also, by switching to using h2 id=anchor rather than h2a name=anchor will avoid having to distinguish links from

Re: [SITE] navigation

2011-10-13 Thread David Crossley
sebb wrote: David Crossley wrote: sebb wrote: David Crossley wrote: Here is a solution which should meet the quest for appealing and also meet the quest for usability. This intends to use the same colour that bootstrap uses for a:hover. I presume that they have used a

Re: [SITE] Samples of site with different CSS settings

2011-10-13 Thread David Crossley
David Crossley wrote: Note that there is no distinction between links and plain text in either case (except on hover). I think that needs to be fixed. Could people please just concentrate on the rest of the site. I have already been addressing the Clutch table and colours (and

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation of Deltacloud to TLP

2011-10-13 Thread Christian Grobmeier
I have not much clue on the legals below, but what I read the past days makes me feel like Deltacloud is ready to graduate. Cheers On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:03 AM, David Lutterkort lut...@redhat.com wrote: Hi all, the Deltacloud community and mentors feel that we are ready to graduate to a