On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Projects like PDFBox
or River are living examples of how active mentoring can turn around
the fortunes of a project.
I'm sure the mentoring was ace but a large amount of why River turned
around was down to its
Kato implements a specification. Work on this specification is
currently suspended and its future is unknown. IMHO Kato was healthy
and progressing towards eventual graduation before this external
problem stopped work.
Creating, reading and review reports for podlings in this unusual
situation is
I don't know about if they could keep their name but from recent
discussions elsewhere I expect they would not be able to continue
using things like org.apache package names which rules out maintenance
of past releases, small poddlings by definition have limited
resources, so would struggle with
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
+1
Excessive snippage violation.
Voting to terminate a
snip
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
--8-
[X] +1 Park Kato
[ ] +0
[ ] -0
[ ] -1 Do not park Kato
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:54 AM, ant elder antel...@apache.org wrote:
I don't know about if they could keep their name but from recent
discussions elsewhere I expect they would not be able to continue
using things like org.apache package names which rules out maintenance
of past releases,
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:43 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com
wrote:
Projects like PDFBox
or River are living examples of how active mentoring can turn around
the fortunes of a project.
I'm sure the mentoring
-1
The IPMC is currently discussing how to handle these situations.We
have not come to an agreement yet and so this seems premature at best.
Furthermore, there is currently no definition of parking. I have no
interest in voting on something that is not well defined.
Secondly, and more
On 16 January 2012 09:05, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
...
ActiveMQ, Cassandra, CXF, Felix, Harmony
Are people seriously suggesting that the ASF would be better off had
we terminated those poddlings just because some time period of
incubation had passed?
Can we please stop with
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 15 January 2012 20:55, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
+1
Voting to terminate a project through lack of
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 16 January 2012 09:05, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
...
ActiveMQ, Cassandra, CXF, Felix, Harmony
Are people seriously suggesting that the ASF would be better off had
we terminated those poddlings
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
snip
Can we please stop with the alarmist statements and silly votes.
This is Apache. Apache runs through VOTEs. No VOTE is silly.
Robert
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To
On 16 January 2012 09:16, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 15 January 2012 20:55, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Sam Ruby
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:23 AM, ant elder antel...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 16 January 2012 09:05, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
...
ActiveMQ, Cassandra, CXF, Felix, Harmony
Are people seriously suggesting
On 16 January 2012 09:27, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
snip
Can we please stop with the alarmist statements and silly votes.
This is Apache. Apache runs through VOTEs. No VOTE is
On 16 January 2012 09:31, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:23 AM, ant elder antel...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 16 January 2012 09:05, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 16 January 2012 09:16, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 15 January 2012 20:55, Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 16 January 2012 09:31, Robert Burrell Donkin
snip
The right way to discipline Mentors is to remove them from the IPMC.
I've started a thread on private. Threatening to terminate their
podlings just muddies the
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:59 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Sam Ruby
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
-1
The IPMC is currently discussing how to handle these situations.
The IPMC has descended quickly in a long series of threads heavy on
personal abuse and light on constructive proposals. You call this
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
The IPMC strongly and clearly expressed the opinion that the Kato
Mentors needs to be more active or face termination. This is the
solution I favour personally.
Incorrect. Some members of the IPMC
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 16 January 2012 09:31, Robert Burrell Donkin
snip
The right way to discipline Mentors is to remove them from the
Hi,
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:43 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com
wrote:
Projects like PDFBox
or River are living examples of how active mentoring can turn around
the fortunes of a project.
I'm sure the
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
snip.
20 Jul 2011:
ensure that long running incubating projects actually have a plausible
plan to graduate
Thanks - I see now that the pressure for Mentors to active against
their best judgment of the interests of
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
snip.
20 Jul 2011:
ensure that long running incubating projects actually have a plausible
plan to graduate
Thanks - I see
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
Terminating projects with active communities is the area of active dispute
Stop the drama and misrepresentation.
- Sam Ruby
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To
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net w.
snip
I would like to call on everybody to
snip
focus on ensuring that reports
submitted are timely and contain all of the relevant information.
ATM the reports remind me of a poorly edited and reviewed
reincarnation of
On 16 January 2012 11:51, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
...
Terminating projects with active communities is the area of active dispute
Can you please provide a link to a message in the archive that states
that a project with an active community should be
On 16 January 2012 11:56, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net w.
snip
I would like to call on everybody to
snip
focus on ensuring that reports
submitted are timely and contain all of the relevant
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net w.
snip
I would like to call on everybody to
snip
focus on ensuring that reports
submitted are timely and contain all of the
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
There seems to be some people assuming that the IPMC wants to
terminate the Kato podling. Looking back I wonder if my original
status review was the source of this:
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Jukka
Hi all,
The Apache ODF Toolkit(Incubating) team is pleased to announce the release
of 0.5-incubating. This is our first Apache release.
The Apache ODF Toolkit is a set of Java modules that allow programmatic
creation, scanning and manipulation of Open Document Format (ISO/IEC 26300
== ODF)
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
There seems to be some people assuming that the IPMC wants to
terminate the Kato podling. Looking back I wonder if my original
status review was the source of this:
:-)
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Jukka
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 16 January 2012 11:51, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
...
Terminating projects with active communities is the area of active dispute
Can you please provide a link to a message in
Sam Ruby wrote:
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
The IPMC strongly and clearly expressed the opinion that the Kato
Mentors needs to be more active or face termination. This is the
solution I favour personally.
Incorrect. Some members of the IPMC (including myself) have strongly
and
Entries in podling bloodhound not in incubator group: gmj,hwright
Entries in podling giraph not in incubator group: ssc
Entries in podling gora not in incubator group: ferdy
Command to update incubator group:
modify_unix_group.pl incubator -add=ferdy,gmj,hwright,ssc
Please ensure when adding
Hey folks,
I started writing this e-mail in November or so. My normal approach
with stuff like this is wait for a non-contentious quiet period before
starting a new thread, to maximize the chance the words will be read
for what they say rather than interpreted in the context of some
heated
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 16 January 2012 11:51, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
...
Terminating projects with
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 16 January 2012 11:51, Robert Burrell Donkin
Like Apache, But Sexier...LABS? I can totally see that. Anyone want
to start an Apache LABS podling?
I'm speaking as someone who lurks on a few prodling lists, plus the
incubator. There's stuff I've picked up sort of by osmosis (absorbing
through membranes and the skin, rather like how one
Hi,
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
The email suggests termination as the final solution for a number of podlings
As mentioned in the referenced email, this was a subjective
recommendation based on a quick (i.e. incomplete) review.
Please provide full Email addresses in the resolution, even
if apache.org. This is the official resolution that creates
the PMC and, as such, needs this info.
On Jan 9, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
Hey Board@,
Ferdy Galema accepted our invite for the Gora PPMC +
Hello,
ognl has left the incubator before a while but it seems there are
incubator ognl mailinglists there. Do they need to be closed after
graduation?
Cheers
Christian
--
http://www.grobmeier.de
https://www.timeandbill.de
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Done in r32974.
Cheers,
Chris
On Jan 16, 2012, at 8:15 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
Please provide full Email addresses in the resolution, even
if apache.org. This is the official resolution that creates
the PMC and, as such, needs this info.
On Jan 9, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Mattmann, Chris A
Establish Whether Apache Rave would be a Suitable Name
Key: PODLINGNAMESEARCH-5
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-5
Project: Podling Suitable Names Search
On Jan 16, 2012, at 5:50 AM, sebb wrote:
Entries in podling gora not in incubator group: ferdy
Done!
[mattmann@minotaur]/home/mattmann(24): modify_unix_group.pl incubator -add=ferdy
Password for 'mattmann' (^D aborts):
Done!
Notification sent to r...@apache.org.
On 2012-01-15, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
I found very little evidence that creadur is extensively used in
commerce, outside Creadur GmbH and a wildlife artist.
Creadur GmbH sells modelling clay so I don't think there is any
potential for confusion. Apache Creadur looks good to me.
Stefan
Don,
I think that place where you, Leo, and Sam meet up is in the
identification and clarification of *minimal* legal and procedural
requirements.
Sam's repeated over and over that he is, in effect, trying to
establish the minimal level of oversight and supervision of podlings
(and that the
I can't figure out what is more important to you
at this point Robert, salvaging your ego or helping
your podling succeed here. If I were in your shoes
I would stop trying to defend my past actions there
and give the podling a clear choice: what's more
important to them- faithful implementation
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Benson Margulies
bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
Don,
I think that place where you, Leo, and Sam meet up is in the
identification and clarification of *minimal* legal and procedural
requirements.
Sam's repeated over and over that he is, in effect, trying to
One of our podlings (Rave) is starting to prepare for graduation and
have asked what the status page means when it says If request from
anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess the fit with the
ASF, and create the lists and modules under the incubator
address/module names if accepted.
I
Hi,
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote:
With Jukka's vote, that's 2 down. We need one more...
Anyone mind helping with the release?
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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It may also be pertinent to note that the codebases here in question
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On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Matt Benson mben...@apache.org wrote:
Hi, all--per [1], Generally, the mentors of a new project will need
to consult with general@incubator.apache.org or the
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Searched Rave at Trademarkia found the
Hey Don,
Thanks for your reply. You are quite right, of course. I hope I am
also right at the same time :-). Maybe I can clarify...
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote:
Like Apache, But Sexier...LABS? I can totally see that. Anyone want
to start an Apache
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
snip/
We may also have semantic gaps. Leo's [RT] may be presuming that a
podling's board report[sic] is merely a bureaucratic requirement.
snip/
Hmm :-)
And so the threads collide...
...I guess I'll allow it. But since
On 17 January 2012 01:06, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
snip/
We may also have semantic gaps. Leo's [RT] may be presuming that a
podling's board report[sic] is merely a bureaucratic requirement.
snip/
Hmm :-)
It's not just the quarterly reports that aren't being
well-utilized, it's releases too. Some of these podlings
still don't get how essential it is to a healthy functioning
Apache community to produce and maintain releases. There
are projects like Tashi who just noodle around in the source
code
Wow, the Kato JSR is IBM-led, so there aren't even
any IP obstacles to continuing on as an Apache project.
No Apache project should ever put itself in the position
of saying to the world: please leave us alone while we
await the arrival of X. For any value of X. Apache
projects are supposed to
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
And here we return to a thread of some weeks ago. One chair can't
review all those reports and push the bounce buttons. Some other
people
Furthermore... IBM is in no position to offer ANYTHING
to Oracle regarding their status in the Kato podling.
Our rules forbid collusion and corporate block voting,
so even if every person on the PPMC were an IBM employee
they'd still be expected to cast their votes for a prospective
Oracle
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