Re: Multi-licensed dependencies

2012-03-29 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Mar 29, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:42 AM, sebb wrote: >> On 29 March 2012 18:43, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > >>> I prefer to put our license in the file and then, at the bottom, refer >>> to a list of other licenses per dependency (if included in this

More on multi-licensed dependencies

2012-03-29 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > On Mar 29, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Fabian Christ wrote: >> I am following all these discussions for doing a first release of >> Apache Stanbol (incubating) but get totally confused. According to >> >> http://apache.org/legal/resolved.html#mutua

the Clutch list of Other Issues

2012-03-29 Thread David Crossley
Clutch also has a list of "Other Issues": http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#other It is mainly where Clutch is trying to help with the post-graduation steps. There are some other things listed for current incubation podlings. Sure, some of these items are where projects have recently gradua

Re: Multi-licensed dependencies

2012-03-29 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:42 AM, sebb wrote: > On 29 March 2012 18:43, Roy T. Fielding wrote: >> I prefer to put our license in the file and then, at the bottom, refer >> to a list of other licenses per dependency (if included in this package), >> wherein the dependency licenses are in separate

Re: Multi-licensed dependencies

2012-03-29 Thread sebb
On 29 March 2012 18:43, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > On Mar 29, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: >> Personally, I agree with Roy.  Perhaps it might seem a little odd to include >> the text of e.g. the GPLv2 in one of our LICENSE files (alongside a more >> permissive license), but the key here

Re: Multi-licensed dependencies

2012-03-29 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Mar 29, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > Personally, I agree with Roy. Perhaps it might seem a little odd to include > the text of e.g. the GPLv2 in one of our LICENSE files (alongside a more > permissive license), but the key here is that it is both legally OK for us to > distribute

Re: [VOTE] Release ManifoldCF 0.5-incubating, RC0

2012-03-29 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Mar 29, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Fabian Christ wrote: > Hi, > > Am 26. März 2012 17:20 schrieb Roy T. Fielding : >> On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Karl Wright wrote: >>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:24 AM, sebb wrote: On 26 March 2012 02:38, Shinichiro Abe wrote: The LICENSE file includes ref

Multi-licensed dependencies

2012-03-29 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Fabian Christ wrote: > Am 26. März 2012 17:20 schrieb Roy T. Fielding : >> On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Karl Wright wrote: >>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:24 AM, sebb wrote: On 26 March 2012 02:38, Shinichiro Abe wrote: The LICENSE file includes referenc

Re: Binary dependencies in source releases (Was: [VOTE] Release ManifoldCF 0.5-incubating, RC0)

2012-03-29 Thread sebb
On 29 March 2012 15:09, Marcel Offermans wrote: > On Mar 29, 2012, at 15:07 , Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Jukka Zitting >> wrote: >>> ...It seems like Roy is much more categorical about this. Assuming I >>> understand his point correctly, *no* binary dependenci

Re: Binary dependencies in source releases (Was: [VOTE] Release ManifoldCF 0.5-incubating, RC0)

2012-03-29 Thread Emmanuel Lécharny
Le 3/29/12 3:41 PM, Daniel Shahaf a écrit : Jukka Zitting wrote on Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 14:41:02 +0200: Hi, On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Leo Simons wrote: Shipping a set of CDDL jars out of some java.net projects that oracle has all but abandoned is far beyond my imagined threshold of rea

Re: Binary dependencies in source releases (Was: [VOTE] Release ManifoldCF 0.5-incubating, RC0)

2012-03-29 Thread Marcel Offermans
On Mar 29, 2012, at 15:07 , Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Jukka Zitting > wrote: >> ...It seems like Roy is much more categorical about this. Assuming I >> understand his point correctly, *no* binary dependencies are >> acceptable within a source tar ball. Let's s

Re: [VOTE] Release ManifoldCF 0.5-incubating, RC0

2012-03-29 Thread Fabian Christ
Hi, Am 26. März 2012 17:20 schrieb Roy T. Fielding : > On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Karl Wright wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:24 AM, sebb wrote: >>> On 26 March 2012 02:38, Shinichiro Abe wrote: >>> The LICENSE file includes references to lots of jars that are dual >>> licensed under CDDL

Re: Binary dependencies in source releases (Was: [VOTE] Release ManifoldCF 0.5-incubating, RC0)

2012-03-29 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Jukka Zitting wrote on Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 14:41:02 +0200: > Hi, > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Leo Simons wrote: > > Shipping a set of CDDL jars out of some java.net projects that oracle > > has all but abandoned is far beyond my imagined threshold of > > reasonable on the scale. Do you a

Re: Binary dependencies in source releases (Was: [VOTE] Release ManifoldCF 0.5-incubating, RC0)

2012-03-29 Thread Matt Hogstrom
I mentioned this in another note but I'll repeat here to use your example. Where the binaries do live in a Maven repo and are versioned there is less of an issue and it becomes a convenience. A real challenge is what to do if your taking a "stable" copy of a project that doesn't have a version

Re: Binary dependencies in source releases (Was: [VOTE] Release ManifoldCF 0.5-incubating, RC0)

2012-03-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > ...It seems like Roy is much more categorical about this. Assuming I > understand his point correctly, *no* binary dependencies are > acceptable within a source tarball. > > What I don't quite (yet) understand is how a reference like > "junit

Re: Binary dependencies in source releases (Was: [VOTE] Release ManifoldCF 0.5-incubating, RC0)

2012-03-29 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Leo Simons wrote: > Shipping a set of CDDL jars out of some java.net projects that oracle > has all but abandoned is far beyond my imagined threshold of > reasonable on the scale. Do you actually see that differently? Agreed. These are exactly the kinds of qu