Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-26 Thread Tim Williams
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: snip I can give the IPMC a hand here, if my point is too obscure. A policy might look

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-26 Thread Branko Čibej
On 26.08.2012 13:15, Tim Williams wrote: Marvin gave the link earlier in this thread. 4th para is the relevant bit. http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what The relevant part is in the last paragraph. However, that says convenience and defines version numbering requirements, but it does

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-26 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote: On 26.08.2012 13:15, Tim Williams wrote: Marvin gave the link earlier in this thread. 4th para is the relevant bit. http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what The relevant part is in the last paragraph. However, that says

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-26 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 4:26 AM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote: On 26.08.2012 13:15, Tim Williams wrote: Marvin gave the link earlier in this thread. 4th para is the relevant bit. http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what The relevant part is in the last paragraph. However, that says

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-26 Thread Joe Schaefer
No.  There is NO WAY IN HELL the org can indemnify a volunteer who produces a binary build themselves. Please don't bother asking legal-discuss to tackle this. The way liability works in an incorporated volunteer charity is that you are not liable for club activities performed without negligence

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-26 Thread Joe Schaefer
The point most people seem to make out of sanctioned or official builds revolves around indemnifying volunteers involved in the production of the release. I'm tired of rehashing release.html for the umpteenth time simply because Brane or you or some other newb lacks the experience to know the

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-26 Thread Branko Čibej
On 26.08.2012 16:46, Joe Schaefer wrote: The point most people seem to make out of sanctioned or official builds revolves around indemnifying volunteers involved in the production of the release. I'm tired of rehashing release.html for the umpteenth time simply because Brane or you or some

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-26 Thread Joe Schaefer
Waah Brane- obviously you're not as community-oriented as you'd like to think.  release.html is the byproduct of several years of writing oriented towards the lowest common denominator of the org, but if you think you know how to improve it you have all the requisite karma already. All that's

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-26 Thread Branko Čibej
On 26.08.2012 17:04, Joe Schaefer wrote: Waah Brane- obviously you're not as community-oriented as you'd like to think. release.html is the byproduct of several years of writing oriented towards the lowest common denominator of the org, but if you think you know how to improve it you have

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-26 Thread Joe Schaefer
Better attitude, now all you need to do is subscribe to site-...@apache.org and join the rest of the people who care about the content of our site documentation. - Original Message - From: Branko Čibej br...@apache.org To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Sunday, August 26,

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-26 Thread Benson Margulies
Sigh. Apache is a volunteer organization with a history and a culture. As a volunteer organization, it cannot possibly create and maintain a set of documents that describe every bit of cultural norm and historical context. New committers on existing projects learn from their communities. Podling

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-26 Thread Benson Margulies
Joe, I know very well (and you know that I know) that I can edit most of the things that appear on our web site. But if community-oriented means that anyone should just edit those docs to scratch an itch and to hell with consensus and the consequences, then you're right, I'm definitely a

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-26 Thread Dave Fisher
On Aug 26, 2012, at 7:46 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: AOO doesn't need to change anything to their current release processes other than to stop pointing source downloads at svn (which is the sole reason I won't vote for AOO candidates). Well this is worth discussion. On this page [1]: The

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-26 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message - From: Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote On Aug 26, 2012, at 7:46 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: AOO doesn't need to

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-26 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Aug 26, 2012, at 7:46 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: AOO doesn't need to change anything to their current release processes other than to stop pointing source downloads at svn (which is the sole reason I won't vote for AOO

RE: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-26 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Since my post was mentioned later on this thread, I thought I would summarize what I have as the take-away from intervening discussion. I have no intention to deal with the use of language (i.e., semantics of convenience) and the way that tacit policy understanding is conveyed among Apache