[RESULT] [VOTE] Graduate Apache Any23 from the Apache Incubator

2012-08-27 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Folks, This VOTE has passed with the following tallies: +1 Chris Mattmann* Andy Seaborne* ^ Simone Tripodi Jukka Zitting* ^ Tomaaso Teofili* ^ Dave Meikle Oleg Tikhonov Paul Ramirez* Prescott Nasser Szymon Danielcyzk Lewis John McGibbney Key: * - IPMC member per http://people.apache.org/co

"end-user operating systems" Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Andreas Kuckartz
Rob Weir: > You probably don't see this on the server yet, but end-user operating > systems, both desktop and devices, both at OS level as well as in > browsers and with antivirus software, are shifting over to excluding > non-signed executable by default. This is equally true of software > distri

Fwd: [VOTE] Apache Airavata Community is ready for graduation?

2012-08-27 Thread Suresh Marru
FYI, Ongoing optional community vote in checking for graduation readiness. Cheers, Suresh Begin forwarded message: > From: Suresh Marru > Subject: [VOTE] Apache Airavata Community is ready for graduation? > Date: August 27, 2012 3:26:07 PM EDT > To: Airavata Dev > Bcc: Suresh Marru > > Hi A

Re: downloading external dependencies outside of svn.apache.org

2012-08-27 Thread Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez
great, thanks! :-) On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Joe Schaefer >wrote: > > > >> Many projects in a similar situation ship a "deps" > >> package that contains dependencies and distribute > >> those from the mirrors. > > On Mon, Au

Re: downloading external dependencies outside of svn.apache.org

2012-08-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > >> Many projects in a similar situation ship a "deps" >> package that contains dependencies and distribute >> those from the mirrors. On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez wrote: > ...can you give one project which ha

Re: downloading external dependencies outside of svn.apache.org

2012-08-27 Thread Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez
I'll have a look at it, thanks! br, juan pablo On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > You can also use OSSRH to push more jars to central. > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Joe Schaefer > wrote: > > Many projects in a similar situation ship a "deps" > > package that conta

Re: downloading external dependencies outside of svn.apache.org

2012-08-27 Thread Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez
Hi Joe, thanks for the insight :-) can you give one project which has done this?, just to have a look at it and have this done the right way from the beggining. Are there any special requirements for these jars in order to be able to distribute them from mirrors (i.e.: being signed with a key cor

Re: downloading external dependencies outside of svn.apache.org

2012-08-27 Thread Benson Margulies
You can also use OSSRH to push more jars to central. On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > Many projects in a similar situation ship a "deps" > package that contains dependencies and distribute > those from the mirrors. > > HTH > > > > > >> >> From

Re: downloading external dependencies outside of svn.apache.org

2012-08-27 Thread Joe Schaefer
Many projects in a similar situation ship a "deps" package that contains dependencies and distribute those from the mirrors. HTH > > From: Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez >To: general@incubator.apache.org >Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:42 PM >Subject: downloadi

downloading external dependencies outside of svn.apache.org

2012-08-27 Thread Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez
Hello, As a part of JSPWiki's July 2012 incubator report [#1], it was noted that JSPWiki (incubating) should not ship external jars alongside with code. This has been achieved in current trunk. However, as part of AOO community graduation vote thread [#2] it was noted that: " If you try to build

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Jim Jagielski
+1. On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > Which better agrees with written policy anyway- the sigs > are part of the release package to be voted on and voted on > by the PMC, so even tho it constitutes individual sigs > those sigs (well at least the RM's sig) are PMC-approved. > >

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Joe Schaefer
Which better agrees with written policy anyway- the sigs are part of the release package to be voted on and voted on by the PMC, so even tho it constitutes individual sigs those sigs (well at least the RM's sig) are PMC-approved. - Original Message - > From: Greg Stein > To: general@in

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Greg Stein
On Aug 27, 2012 9:57 AM, "Jim Jagielski" wrote: >... > But recall in all this that even when the PMC releases code, it is > signed by the individual RM, and not by the PMC itself. Apache Subversion releases tend to have a half-dozen signatures. Thus, I'd say they are signed by the PMC. For exampl

[jira] [Created] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-14) Establish Whether "Apache Airavata" would be a Suitable Name

2012-08-27 Thread Suresh Marru (JIRA)
Suresh Marru created PODLINGNAMESEARCH-14: - Summary: Establish Whether "Apache Airavata" would be a Suitable Name Key: PODLINGNAMESEARCH-14 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-14

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Jim Jagielski wrote on Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:38:15 -0400: > After this, please drop general@ > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > > >> > >> A signature does 2 things: > >> > >> 1. Ensures that no bits have been changed > >> 2. That the bits come from a known (and trusted) en

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message - > From: Benson Margulies > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Cc: > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 9:16 AM > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote > > Jim, > > Two points: > > 1: you skip over the liability question. Is Bill legally expose

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Jim Jagielski
After this, please drop general@ On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> A signature does 2 things: >> >> 1. Ensures that no bits have been changed >> 2. That the bits come from a known (and trusted) entity. >> > > Almost. It doesn't guarantee trust. Sure it does. If somethin

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > Re adding ooo-dev@ since this is STILL an AOO issue. > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >>> >>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:56 AM, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote: >>>

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Jim Jagielski
Re adding ooo-dev@ since this is STILL an AOO issue. On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >> >> On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:56 AM, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote: >>> >>> Yes, that's what end users care about. But it's not sufficient

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > On Aug 27, 2012 6:15 AM, "Jukka Zitting" wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm jumping in late to this discussion after returning from vacation. >> To summarize my understanding: >> >> * As Joe says, there's no problem with current OpenOffice releases. >

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Ross Gardler
There are, as many have pointed out, two issues. The first is, can AOO do what it is doing - the answer to this one is yes and has been clearly expressed a number of times in this thread. The second is whether AOO can go a step further than what it is already doing. The answer to this is No, as has

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:56 AM, wrote: > Jim Jagielski wrote on 08/27/2012 08:43:35 AM: > >> From: Jim Jagielski >> To: general@incubator.apache.org, Joe Schaefer >> , Rob Weir , >> Cc: "ooo-...@incubator.apache.org" >> Date: 08/27/2012 08:44 AM >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Commun

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:56 AM, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote: >> >> Yes, that's what end users care about. But it's not sufficient for AOO >> since we are seeking alternative distribution channels. > > What does that mean? Can I grok "alte

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Andre Fischer
On 27.08.2012 13:10, Greg Stein wrote: On Aug 27, 2012 6:15 AM, "Jukka Zitting" wrote: Hi, I'm jumping in late to this discussion after returning from vacation. To summarize my understanding: * As Joe says, there's no problem with current OpenOffice releases. Agreed. * The project is loo

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > > But can't you drag this whole matter back to the AOO list, being a > mentor and all? > Trying to do that with ccing ooo-dev@ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Benson Margulies
Jim, Two points: 1: you skip over the liability question. Is Bill legally exposed? 2: You can't distribute a binary application to the Mac App store, or other places, without a signature. Some complex requirements for using an Apache signature have been posed; I don't know why Donald characteri

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:56 AM, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote: > > Yes, that's what end users care about. But it's not sufficient for AOO > since we are seeking alternative distribution channels. What does that mean? Can I grok "alternative distribution channels" as "more mirrors" or something

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread donald_harbison
Jim Jagielski wrote on 08/27/2012 08:43:35 AM: > From: Jim Jagielski > To: general@incubator.apache.org, Joe Schaefer > , Rob Weir , > Cc: "ooo-...@incubator.apache.org" > Date: 08/27/2012 08:44 AM > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote > > > On Aug 26, 2012, at 1

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Aug 26, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > No. There is NO WAY IN HELL the org can indemnify > a volunteer who produces a binary build themselves. > > Please don't bother asking legal-discuss to tackle this. > Here's an analogy: for a long, long time Bill Rowe has taken it upon hims

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Jim Jagielski
The ASF releases source code. We produce it, we develop it, we license it and we release it. We have also, as a courtesy to the community, released binaries (read: pre- compiled and built s/w) as well. The binaries MUST be based on the actual released code. But the s/w itself is what is produced a

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Greg Stein
On Aug 27, 2012 6:15 AM, "Jukka Zitting" wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm jumping in late to this discussion after returning from vacation. > To summarize my understanding: > > * As Joe says, there's no problem with current OpenOffice releases. Agreed. > * The project is looking for ways to produce "bless

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, I'm jumping in late to this discussion after returning from vacation. To summarize my understanding: * As Joe says, there's no problem with current OpenOffice releases. * The project is looking for ways to produce "blessed binaries" as a part of future releases, and has been working with the

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Andre Fischer
On 26.08.2012 00:21, Greg Stein wrote: On Aug 25, 2012 9:46 AM, "Benson Margulies" wrote: ... Of course, a discussion thread started here to solicit the IPMC's opinion on graduation would be another matter entirely. If Rob is representative of AOO, then no. They need more time to learn about