OpenOffice status

2012-09-14 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, Thanks for the report, OpenOffice! After spend a few hours yesterday digging through list archives and other materials I'm overall pretty happy with the things I'm seeing. As also mentioned on your report, I believe you're well on your way to establish a set of project-level bylaws or at

Re: Openmeetings - A Shepherd's View

2012-09-14 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Hi Alexei... On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Alexei Fedotov alexei.fedo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Mohammad, thank you for the review. Eclipse can be considered as an alternative build system, so these files are like build.xml files. Why not to keep them in release? 14.09.2012 3:46

Re: Openmeetings - A Shepherd's View

2012-09-14 Thread Marcel Offermans
On Sep 14, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Alexei Fedotov alexei.fedo...@gmail.com wrote: 14.09.2012 3:46 пользователь Mohammad Nour El-Din mn...@apache.org написал: One minor note: - In [1] I noticed files related to

Re: Openmeetings - A Shepherd's View

2012-09-14 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Hi Marcel... On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Marcel Offermans marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote: On Sep 14, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Alexei Fedotov alexei.fedo...@gmail.com wrote: 14.09.2012 3:46 пользователь

Re: Openmeetings - A Shepherd's View

2012-09-14 Thread dsh
@Mohammad: And btw, in reference to that big (blue) company, I'd say your statement is hearsay and needs to be proofed. For instance why is that very big (blue) company adding their own, proprietary license header to such generated files and in one way or another even Java files are

Re: Openmeetings - A Shepherd's View

2012-09-14 Thread dsh
The more practical and pragmatic question to pose is: why would you want to add license headers to generated files. You would have to take care of that they won't disappear each time the file (e.g. .classpath) is getting re-generated. Again from a practical point of view a mentoring suggestion

Re: Openmeetings - A Shepherd's View

2012-09-14 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Hi Daniel... On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:11 AM, dsh daniel.hais...@gmail.com wrote: @Mohammad: And btw, in reference to that big (blue) company, I'd say your statement is hearsay and needs to be proofed. For instance why is that very big (blue) company adding their own, proprietary license

Re: Openmeetings - A Shepherd's View

2012-09-14 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Sep 14, 2012, at 5:02 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote: But can we add ASL headers to files which are defined and considered to be, even structure wise (please correct me if I am wrong), under the license of Eclipse ? If they are build artifacts (like stuff

Re: Openmeetings - A Shepherd's View

2012-09-14 Thread Alexei Fedotov
The most useful file containing the project classpath is only formatted automatically, it cannot be generated without project-specific knowledge. There is no techical problem to drop these files, yet developers who download our source release loose a useful code navigation tool without these

Isis: A Shepherd's View

2012-09-14 Thread Franklin, Matthew B.
Good report. Two questions/comments: - Why not just propose the committers and see what the PPMC thinks before holding an official vote? Is there a reason for waiting? - The incubator status page needs to be completed. It appears that more has happened than the page reflects.

Wave: A Shepherd's View

2012-09-14 Thread Franklin, Matthew B.
Is there anything that could be released, even in alpha/beta form? Code completeness or maturity is not a barrier to graduation so long as the community can demonstrate an understanding of the Apache release process. IMO, it is best to get early, alpha releases out on a regular basis. You

NPanday: A Shepherd's View

2012-09-14 Thread Franklin, Matthew B.
I am concerned about the level of engagement of the community. The vast majority of mail traffic has been from automated build failures and even a question from a potential user saw no response from the committers/PPMC. IMHO, there needs to be a significant increase in engagement over time

RE: September Reports

2012-09-14 Thread Franklin, Matthew B.
-Original Message- From: Franklin, Matthew B. [mailto:mfrank...@mitre.org] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 11:58 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: September Reports -Original Message- From: Jukka Zitting [mailto:jukka.zitt...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September

[ANNOUNCE] Apache Bloodhound 0.1.0 incubating Released

2012-09-14 Thread Gary Martin
The Apache Bloodhound (Incubating) team is pleased to announce the availability of the Apache Bloodhound 0.1.0-incubating release. Apache Bloodhound is a project to provide a tool to track progress and defects in projects, with a primary focus on software projects. Standing on the shoulders

Re: [VOTE] Apache Crunch (incubating) 0.3.0 Release Candidate 1

2012-09-14 Thread Josh Wills
Hi all, After 72 hours, the vote for Crunch 0.3.0 RC1 passes with 4 IPMC +1 votes, 3 non-binding +1 votes, and no 0 or -1 votes. +1 (IPMC/binding): * Patrick Hunt (On crunch-dev mailing list) * Doug Cutting * Tom White * Arun Murthy +1 (non-binding): * Josh Wills (On crunch-dev mailing list) *

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Bigtop podling from Apache Incubator

2012-09-14 Thread Arvind Prabhakar
[X] +1 Graduate Bigtop podling from Apache Incubator Regards, Arvind Prabhakar On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 3:04 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: X. Establish the Apache Bigtop Project WHEREAS, the Board of

Re: Openmeetings - A Shepherd's View

2012-09-14 Thread Benson Margulies
Does anyone seriously believe that IP notices are required in files like these? These files cannot be copyrighted because they do not have any 'creative' content. If they can't be copyrighted, they can't be licensed. And, even it were otherwise, the notices at the top of the tree are sufficient.

Re: Openmeetings - A Shepherd's View

2012-09-14 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Hi Benson... On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone seriously believe that IP notices are required in files like these? These files cannot be copyrighted because they do not have any 'creative' content. If they can't be copyrighted, they

Re: Openmeetings - A Shepherd's View

2012-09-14 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din mn...@apache.org wrote: I checked: - Mailing lists and from it the community looks active to a good extent both on the users and developers lists - Last report (June 2012) they were in the 'No Release' group of podlings but they

Re: Wave: A Shepherd's View

2012-09-14 Thread Upayavira
This is precisely what is currently being discussed. In fact, we have a new volunteer (Angus Turner) who is helping get things in order, with large header correcting patches. I have been pointing out that the ability to release correctly is what the incubator PMC wants to see, rather than a

Re: Wave: A Shepherd's View

2012-09-14 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: I have been pointing out that the ability to release correctly is what the incubator PMC wants to see, rather than a technically valid or useful release. That said, a release that is full of holes might actually have the

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Bigtop podling from Apache Incubator

2012-09-14 Thread Patrick Hunt
+1 Patrick On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: This is a call for vote to graduate Bigtop podling from Apache Incubator The Apache Bigtop project entered incubator in June of 2011. Since then we have grown the community in users and contributors, and