On 5 April 2013 04:07, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) <
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Dear Ben,
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Benjamin Hindman
> Reply-To: "mesos-...@incubator.apache.org" >
> Date: Thursday, March 7, 2013 3:52 PM
> To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
> Cc: mesos
>
Dear Ben,
+1 from me (binding):
SIGS check out:
[terra:~/tmp/apache-mesos-0.11.0-incubating] mattmann%
$HOME/bin/verify_gpg_sigs
Verifying Signature for file mesos-0.11.0-incubating.tar.gz.asc
gpg: Signature made Thu Mar 7 14:41:36 2013 PST using RSA key ID F6FB762C
gpg: Good signature from "Be
Hey Ross,
-Original Message-
From: Ross Gardler
Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Date: Thursday, April 4, 2013 6:22 AM
To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Subject: Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters:
majority vote vs consensus)
>On 4 April 2013 09:06, Gre
Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity
On 4 Apr 2013 15:17, "Greg Stein" wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Ross Gardler
wrote:
> > On 4 April 2013 09:06, Greg Stein wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Ross Gardler
> >> wrote:
> >> > On 31 March 2013
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
> ...If Mentors fall away after "phase 1" ends, it's less of a problem.
> Replacing
> Mentors is less consequential once the code base has reached the "known good
> state" of having made it through the release process
Agreed, though it'
Benson writes:
>> We ask them to make a public statement of commitment that for some
>> period of time (six months) they commit to thinking of themselves _as
>> a PMC_, not just as some sort of diffuse advisors or coaches...
+1 to the change of mentality.
Bertrand replies:
> I like that - I'd s
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> On 4 April 2013 09:06, Greg Stein wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Ross Gardler
>> wrote:
>> > On 31 March 2013 17:08, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) <
>> > chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Why is it so hard to see that
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> As I see it, the incubator as we have it is a mechanism for coping
> with the lack of mentor commitment. As Ross often writes, it's easy to
> say that Mentors *should* make this commitment, but mentors are
> volunteers, and things happen. U
On 4 April 2013 08:46, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:26 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
> >
> > On Apr 3, 2013, at 1:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Benson Margulies <
> bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> ...Chris proposes that this
> >>> commit
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Having said that, here's an idea that builds on your proposal. There is
> already the opportunity to name the board as the sponsoring organisation.
> Why not say "where the board is willing to sponsor the project it can go
> straight to TLP" (
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Upayavira wrote:
> Just a thought.
>
> Chris' solution says 'make mentors the initial PMC'. They vote in other
> project team members as appropriate to be peers. This creates a positive
> egalitarian setup which mirrors that of a PMC, which is a good thing.
>
>
The
On 4 April 2013 09:06, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Ross Gardler
> wrote:
> > On 31 March 2013 17:08, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) <
> > chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >
> >> Why is it so hard to see that the board is already watching those 22
> >> nascent projects i
Hi,
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> ...How about the following more incremental experiment: we do what
> Upayavira says: we set a higher bar for mentors at podling start time.
> We ask them to make a public statement of commitment that for some
> period of time (six mont
As I see it, the incubator as we have it is a mechanism for coping
with the lack of mentor commitment. As Ross often writes, it's easy to
say that Mentors *should* make this commitment, but mentors are
volunteers, and things happen. Upayavira wonders if Mentor 'harvest
glory' and then wander away.
Just a thought.
Chris' solution says 'make mentors the initial PMC'. They vote in other
project team members as appropriate to be peers. This creates a positive
egalitarian setup which mirrors that of a PMC, which is a good thing.
Much of the problem in the incubator seems to me to be mentor
ina
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Ross Gardler
wrote:
> On 31 March 2013 17:08, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) <
> chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>> Why is it so hard to see that the board is already watching those 22
>> nascent projects in the same manner they watch the 137 TLPs?
>
> Because th
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> Ant is reflecting a real dilemma here. At Apache, we try to be
> egalitarian, and we try to work by consensus. The natural conclusion
> is that the many people needed to vote on releases are also part of
> the decision-making body for polic
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:26 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
> On Apr 3, 2013, at 1:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Benson Margulies
>> wrote:
>>> ...Chris proposes that this
>>> committee recommend its own demise to the board, to be replaced, in
>>> large part, b
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