On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Eric Johnson e...@tibco.com wrote:
If this was a software project, and the appropriate answer was unknown, they
you might apply a lean startup approach, and figure out how to run tests
to see which way works best.
Given the number of incubating projects,
Congrats.
However, what is Curator?
The mail does not say anything about it.
Please ensure that any announcement e-mails about Curator include a
brief description of what it is.
On 10 May 2013 17:47, Jordan Zimmerman randg...@apache.org wrote:
Hello,
The Apache Curator team is pleased to
Alan Cabrera wrote on Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:58:24 -0700:
The first thing that I'm writing is a command that will print out who
is the owner of an email alias and what projects they belong to and if
they are ASF members. This will help me vet subscription requests
since people rarely use
Daniel Shahaf wrote on Sat, May 11, 2013 at 13:43:37 +0300:
Alan Cabrera wrote on Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:58:24 -0700:
The first thing that I'm writing is a command that will print out who
is the owner of an email alias and what projects they belong to and if
they are ASF members. This
I'm not going to ask the May board meeting anything. There's no
consensus of this community on 'probationary projects', and, more to
the point, there are a host of details required to make that a viable
proposal and no one has filled them in. As I wrote in the report, I
plan to have a discussion
Actually I wasn't thinking it would be you Benson who talked to the
board. There are several directors here including a couple on this
thread who've said they support trying this so i thought they could
bring it up informally at the upcoming meeting just to get us an idea
if this is something the
Frankly I find the notion that the board will do a better job of MENTORING
these projects than the IPMC to be batshit insane, but that's just me.
We need manpower, and there is plenty of that available amongst the competent
volunteers who actively participate in these projects. Let's just do
It's not just you Joe.
From: Joseph Schaefer
Sent: 11/05/2013 15:34
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC
Frankly I find the notion that the board will do a better job of MENTORING
these projects than the IPMC to be batshit insane,
It's not just you Joe.
Sent from my Windows Phone From: Joseph Schaefer
Sent: 11/05/2013 15:34
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC
Frankly I find the notion that the board will do a better job of MENTORING
these projects than
On May 11, 2013, at 7:26 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
I also agree that there isn't consensus in the Incubator PMC to do
this, but I'm not sure we need it.
Lovely.
Regards,
Alan
Violating my 24 hour rule just this one, and worse yet to repeat myself:
+1 Joe, Ross, etc.
I rather regret mentioning the direct launch alternative in my most
recent email. We have some weakness in _mentoring_, and more weakness
in _supervising_ (or at least in documenting supervision). We have
On May 11, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
A real experiment with 'probationary projects' would have to model the
entire process of a new project launching with _no IPMC_ to
participate in any way.
Can you explain what problem launching new projects with _no
On May 11, 2013, at 9:44 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
Violating my 24 hour rule just this one, and worse yet to repeat myself:
IMO, I think this is fine so long as it occurs on the weekend. :)
+1 Joe, Ross, etc.
I rather regret mentioning the direct launch
On May 11, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Joseph Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Frankly I find the notion that the board will do a better job of MENTORING
these projects than the IPMC to be batshit insane, but that's just me.
We need manpower, and there is plenty of that available amongst the
It's often called a dead-man's switch. I think the term applied originally to
locomotive engineers and also metro car drivers. (I'm not sure what a dead
pilot switch could accomplish in an aircraft.)
I think having mentors review and sign PPMC status reports is an effective
dead mentor's
On May 11, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
wrote:
It's often called a dead-man's switch. I think the term applied originally
to locomotive engineers and also metro car drivers. (I'm not sure what a
dead pilot switch could accomplish in an aircraft.)
I
I firmly believe our priority in mentoring podlings is to instill
self-governance as early as is feasible, and the proven way to accomplish that
task is to identify suitable members of the podling and elect them to the IPMC
so they are fully empowered to do it. Every other approach is
Benson,
-Original Message-
From: Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Date: Saturday, May 11, 2013 6:44 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the
If you think it's clear in either direction, call a VOTE. I think that's
the only demonstrable way to suggest what's clear and what's not.
Please see several emails from Greg and others on the board@ list
recently pointing out the inappropriateness of overuse of votes.
If even *one* person
Hi Alan,
-Original Message-
From: Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com
Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Date: Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:01 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall
-Original Message-
From: Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Date: Saturday, May 11, 2013 8:56 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall
Alan keeps asking that we isolate the problems that need solving.
Sounds sensible. For me the IPMC usually works just fine. Occasionally
there is a failure in mentoring and occasionally the IPMC fails to pick
this up and address it.
In addition, sometimes the IPMC is an inefficient vehicle for
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
If you think it's clear in either direction, call a VOTE. I think that's
the only demonstrable way to suggest what's clear and what's not.
Please see several emails from Greg and others on the board@ list
recently
I've added a description line to the ANNOUNCE sample email:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CURATOR/Example+Emails
-Jordan
On May 11, 2013, at 1:00 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
Congrats.
However, what is Curator?
The mail does not say anything about it.
Please ensure
Chris,
As I feel like I've explained 100 times, all of the following are true:
1) I disagree with your proposal
2) I agree with much of your analyses of problems with the IPMC
3) I I trying to do a job of consensus moderation as best I understand
how, being fair to you and to all the involuntary
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