Re: [VOTE] Recommend retirement for NPanday poddling

2015-01-22 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday, January 21, 2015, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > This is a vote on recommending a retirement option > for the NPanday poddling. +1 but it looks like a few people are interested in using and working on that code, please make sure clear instructions are given to them about how they can fo

Re: Next steps for various proposals (mentor re-boot, pTLP, etc.)

2015-01-22 Thread Ted Dunning
Niclas, I merely speak about what I experienced. My experience is that shepherds provided valuable help to me while I was acting as a mentor. This was (as I understand it) part of the expectation for shepherds. The board has never provided me specific help like this in mentoring. I don't think

RE: Next steps for various proposals (mentor re-boot, pTLP, etc.)

2015-01-22 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
The board do take on such an active task. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Niclas Hedhman Sent: ‎1/‎21/‎2015 11:08 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Next steps for various proposals (men

Re: [VOTE] Recommend retirement for NPanday poddling

2015-01-22 Thread jonathon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21/01/15 22:19, jan i wrote: > +1 Even though I do not like to see a podling end like this, but life > support has to be terminated at a point. Isn't this the podling that requested retirement months ago, and was told to give it one more try? jona

Re: [VOTE] Recommend retirement for NPanday poddling

2015-01-22 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 9:03 AM, jonathon wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 21/01/15 22:19, jan i wrote: >> +1 Even though I do not like to see a podling end like this, but life >> support has to be terminated at a point. > > Isn't this the podling that requested reti

Re: [VOTE] Recommend retirement for NPanday poddling

2015-01-22 Thread Mark Struberg
+1 LieGrue, strub > On Wednesday, 21 January 2015, 23:15, Roman Shaposhnik > wrote: > >T his is a vote on recommending a retirement option > for the NPanday poddling. > > It comes on the hills of the general consensus of > the NPanday community and its mentors that > retirement is the only

Re: Next steps for various proposals (mentor re-boot, pTLP, etc.)

2015-01-22 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 7:18 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote: > The board do take on such an active task. As someone who has been subscribed to board@apache for a long time and has attended many monthly Board meetings, this catches me off guard. I will follow Board report commentary with a

RE: Next steps for various proposals (mentor re-boot, pTLP, etc.)

2015-01-22 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
In the thread "Incubator report sign-off" I posted a mail at Mon 1/5/2015 4:34 PM, it has the following content (edited for brevity here)" "Let's think about the work a Director should do when reviewing a report. It’s not reading the report and then ticking a box. It's reading a report, comparin

Re: Next steps for various proposals (mentor re-boot, pTLP, etc.)

2015-01-22 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote: > In the thread "Incubator report sign-off" I posted a mail at Mon 1/5/2015 > 4:34 PM, it has the following content (edited for brevity here)" Acknowledged. I apologize for mischaracterizing the effort that Board members such

RE: Next steps for various proposals (mentor re-boot, pTLP, etc.)

2015-01-22 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
No harm done Marvin :-) Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation -Original Message- From: Marvin Humphrey [mailto:mar...@rectangular.com] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:13 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Next steps for various proposal

Re: Next steps for various proposals (mentor re-boot, pTLP, etc.)

2015-01-22 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:14 AM, Ted Dunning wrote: > If you would like to characterize shepherds as cross-cutting > mentors-at-large, I wouldn't disagree. It's costly to produce such cross-cutting commentary. Because the product ends up in the public report, it's risky to be candid -- recall t

RE: Next steps for various proposals (mentor re-boot, pTLP, etc.)

2015-01-22 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
It doesn't need to be in the public report. I agree the shepherd model doesn't work here but I still maintain that doesn't mean it can't work. Accountability, responsibility and reward are what I believe are needed. I've made my suggestions as to how to provide all three Sent from my Windows P

Re: [VOTE] Recommend retirement for NPanday poddling

2015-01-22 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > ...We had a vote thread about a month ago: http://s.apache.org/HIF ... And I voted -1 at that time (http://s.apache.org/Vqa) but my concern has been addressed, hence my +1 above. -Bertrand ---