Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-21 Thread Niclas Hedhman
Cool. I can't find info on how much it costs ASF, any pointers before embarking on 100+ artifact signing spree... ;-) On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 12:35 AM, William A Rowe Jr wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:09 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2015

August 2015 - Report Manager steps completed

2015-08-21 Thread John D. Ament
All, I've completed the last few report manager steps for August 2015 - updated the clutch, wiki, etc. The next report has a high number of podlings that I'll probably try to rebalance, but any additional volunteers from the community to help shepherd podlings would be great.

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-21 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Aug 21, 2015 1:54 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Ross Gardler ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote: ... So, in the strictest sense, distributions that make minor changes for their distribution should call it Bar powered by Apache Foo in order to

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-21 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Aug 20, 2015, at 11:19 PM, William A Rowe Jr wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: A snapshot is not a release. Licenses kick in at distribution/ release. Lets just imagine if Jim, VP Legal is actually correct in his

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-21 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Aug 20, 2015, at 8:27 PM, William A Rowe Jr wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On Aug 20, 2015 08:52, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: Coming in late. A snapshot is not a release. Licenses kick in at distribution/ release. I want to fix FUD before it infests the rafters and

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-21 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: Coming in late. A snapshot is not a release. Licenses kick in at distribution/ release. Are you sure? When you have a public source

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-21 Thread Jim Jagielski
They do? This is the statement of the VP Legal, so whether it is right or wrong, here at the ASF we attempt to honor the 'spirit' of the policy of other licensors when we use their code, and we would hope others would honor the 'spirit' of our policies here. It that is the underlying

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-21 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: On Aug 20, 2015, at 8:27 PM, William A Rowe Jr wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On Aug 20, 2015 08:52, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: Coming in late. A snapshot is not a release. Licenses kick in at

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-21 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:16 PM, William A Rowe Jr wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: This thread started as a discussion of Linux distros and trademarks. Perhaps I could try to return it there? If a distro takes a

RE: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-21 Thread Ross Gardler
Jim already addressed this in an overlapping email. I tried to address it but it seems quibbling over individual words describing process was more important than understanding the intended message. So let me try again, this time using the corrected words in my email and adding Jim's further

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-21 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: On Aug 20, 2015, at 11:19 PM, William A Rowe Jr wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: A snapshot is not a release. Licenses kick in at distribution/

RE: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
[Failing at dealing with this cross-posted and variously-branched discussion on two lists, so I am doing it too. Also OT with respect to Ross's declaration, but it has to do with the fact that release is not so well distinguished as one might hope.] Minor nit? #1: Generally, because of what

Re: [DISCUSS] HAWQ Incubation Proposal

2015-08-21 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 3:00 AM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote: Is Madlib even viable as an independent project? Yes it is extremely viable. There's been a number of prototypes of porting MADlib to other SQL-on-Hadoop projects (Impala is the one I know of) and also quite a bit of

Re: [DISCUSS] HAWQ Incubation Proposal

2015-08-21 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 1:46 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 5:14 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: ... == External Dependencies ==... There's some GPL/LGPL stuff in there, IMO the proposal should include a plan for coping with those.

Re: [DISCUSS] HAWQ Incubation Proposal

2015-08-21 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
Hi Ted! this is one of those blind spot things I can't even explain. I was so sure Drill was implemented in C/C++ that I never bothered to check. I'm now curios as to who may have implanted that false memory (did you guys talk about when it was first getting designed?). But anyway, more to the

Re: [DISCUSS] HAWQ Incubation Proposal

2015-08-21 Thread Ted Dunning
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote: this is one of those blind spot things I can't even explain. I was so sure Drill was implemented in C/C++ that I never bothered to check. I'm now curios as to who may have implanted that false memory (did you guys

Re: [DISCUSS] HAWQ Incubation Proposal

2015-08-21 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 2:54 AM, Christian Tzolov christian.tzo...@gmail.com wrote: Is PXF (HAWQ extension framework) going to be managed together with the HAWQ ASF project or as a child one? For now it is part of the same codebase managed by the same community. If it gets picked up by other

Re: [DISCUSS] HAWQ Incubation Proposal

2015-08-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 5:14 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: ...most of the core developers are currently NOT affiliated with the ASF and would require new ICLAs before committing to the project ... == Affiliations == ... * Pivotal: everyone else on this proposal... So IIUC

Re: [DISCUSS] HAWQ Incubation Proposal

2015-08-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 5:14 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: ... == External Dependencies ==... There's some GPL/LGPL stuff in there, IMO the proposal should include a plan for coping with those. -Bertrand - To

Re: [DISCUSS] HAWQ Incubation Proposal

2015-08-21 Thread Christian Tzolov
Is PXF (HAWQ extension framework) going to be managed together with the HAWQ ASF project or as a child one? On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 5:14 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: ... == External

Re: [DISCUSS] HAWQ Incubation Proposal

2015-08-21 Thread Ted Dunning
Is Madlib even viable as an independent project? Should it be part of the overall Hawq project? On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: Hi! I would like to start a discussion on accepting HAWQ into ASF Incubator. The proposal is available at:

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-21 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Ross Gardler ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote: ... So, in the strictest sense, distributions that make minor changes for their distribution should call it Bar powered by Apache Foo in order to differentiate it from an official release of the foundation. In the