Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-18 Thread Richard Frovarp
On 11/18/2015 09:20 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: On 18 November 2015 at 14:24, Emmanuel Lécharny wrote: Le 18/11/15 14:34, Stephen Connolly a écrit : On Wednesday 18 November 2015, Emmanuel Lécharny wrote: Le 18/11/15 11:31, Stephen Connolly a

Re: Apache Metrics, Not Apache Humans

2015-11-18 Thread Rich Bowen
On 11/17/2015 08:13 PM, Marko Rodriguez wrote: > Hi, > > I suppose the distilled intention of the proposal is to identify the > answer(s) to the following question: > > What makes a "good" open source project? > > As I read on general@ and from our project's mentors, "good" is grounded

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-18 Thread Stephen Connolly
typo s/every/revert/ If you do CTR and there are lots of vetos... which can happen if the reviews are requesting rework or changes... then there would need to be a lot of revert commits to revert the commits that were vetoed. Thankfully in CTR mostly the case is you just commit the rework rather

RE: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-18 Thread Ross Gardler
Summarizing: In a healthy project I believe that the only significant things that change between CTR and RTC are: 1) speed of commit (CTR is faster) 2) quality of master, not releases (RTC catches most issues before commit, CTR shortly after commit) I agree with others, nothing in the Apache

RE: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-18 Thread Ross Gardler
I agree, mostly, with your mail Stephen, but I wonder about the reference you make to "the mess of every commits". Do you really see that? If you do see it I suspect the project has a problem. In my experience reverts are rare. We prefer people improve what is there rather than revert what they

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-18 Thread Emmanuel Lécharny
Le 18/11/15 17:54, Ross Gardler a écrit : > Summarizing: > > In a healthy project I believe that the only significant things that change > between CTR and RTC are: > > 1) speed of commit (CTR is faster) > 2) quality of master, not releases (RTC catches most issues before commit, > CTR shortly

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-18 Thread Stephen Connolly
On 18 November 2015 at 14:24, Emmanuel Lécharny wrote: > Le 18/11/15 14:34, Stephen Connolly a écrit : > > On Wednesday 18 November 2015, Emmanuel Lécharny > > wrote: > > > >> Le 18/11/15 11:31, Stephen Connolly a écrit : > >>> I believe the issue here

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-18 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:31 AM, Stephen Connolly < stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: > I believe the issue here is that with CTR it is very easy to miss the 72h > lazy consensus voting (with an assumed +1 absence any votes cast) that most > CTR projects operate under... and thus it can

Re: Incubator mail archives lagging badly

2015-11-18 Thread Gregory Chase
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-geode-dev/201511.mbox/browser As one example. On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz < bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Gregory Chase wrote: > > ...I notice that a

Incubator mail archives lagging badly

2015-11-18 Thread Gregory Chase
Greetings, Maybe this belongs in the Infra mail list, but I notice that a number of the incubating projects mail archives have not updated since Nov 2. I presume this is a known problem? -- Greg Chase Director of Big Data Communities http://www.pivotal.io/big-data Pivotal Software

Re: Incubator mail archives lagging badly

2015-11-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Gregory Chase wrote: > ...I notice that a number of > the incubating projects mail archives have not updated since Nov 2 There are several archives, which archive URLs are you referring to? -Bertrand

RE: Incubator mail archives lagging badly

2015-11-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I see 253 messages from incubator-geode for November, with the last dated today. I followed the below-supplied URL, switched to date view, and then went to the last available page (3 in this case). Is this not reproducible? - Dennis > -Original Message- > From: Gregory Chase

[VOTE] Release Apache Trafodion (incubating) 1.3.0-incubating (RC4)

2015-11-18 Thread Roberta Marton
Hello, The Apache Trafodion community has voted on and approved its first release – Apache Trafodion 1.3.0 –incubating. Vote request on dev list: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-trafodion-dev/201511.mbox/%3Cedf95f7384696f8ec87bd1b8ad102b52%40mail.gmail.com%3E Vote

Re: Incubator mail archives lagging badly

2015-11-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Gregory Chase wrote: > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-geode-dev/201511.mbox/browser > ... That looks up to date for me. That page uses javascript to load the content, maybe it's failing on your browser? -Bertrand

Re: Incubator mail archives lagging badly

2015-11-18 Thread Gregory Chase
Sorry all. It's user error. I was expecting most recent first :) On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz < bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Gregory Chase wrote: > > >

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-18 Thread Emmanuel Lécharny
Le 18/11/15 11:31, Stephen Connolly a écrit : > I believe the issue here is that with CTR it is very easy to miss the 72h > lazy consensus voting (with an assumed +1 absence any votes cast) that most > CTR projects operate under... and thus it can also be very easy to miss the > fact that there

Re: [DISCUSS] Impala incubator proposal

2015-11-18 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Hi Henry, good news to see this proposal ! Regards JB On 11/17/2015 07:49 PM, Henry Robinson wrote: Hi all - We'd like to start a discussion regarding a proposal to submit Impala to the Apache Incubator. The proposal text is available on the Wiki here:

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-18 Thread Stephen Connolly
I believe the issue here is that with CTR it is very easy to miss the 72h lazy consensus voting (with an assumed +1 absence any votes cast) that most CTR projects operate under... and thus it can also be very easy to miss the fact that there are reviews going on (and I am being generous here, I

Re: [VOTE] Retire Corinthia

2015-11-18 Thread Danese Cooper
+1 (binding) D > On Nov 16, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > > Greetings, > > The Corinthia community has voted to retire: > > http://s.apache.org/odN > > This is a vote of the IPMC to confirm the decision to retire the podling. > > [ ] +1 to retire

RE: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-18 Thread Ross Gardler
Interesting, Todd, can you identify which of your three arguments for CTR are not present in RTC. Ross -Original Message- From: Todd Lipcon [mailto:t...@cloudera.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 11:23 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning

Re: [DISCUSS] Kudu incubator proposal

2015-11-18 Thread Jake Farrell
merit is merit, why would the barrier for new committers be different here than in any other project? If the ramp up and time to learn the projects source is the barrier then it is on us to help make it easier through documentation, clear project roadmap and entry level consumable tickets to help

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-18 Thread Steve Loughran
> On 18 Nov 2015, at 13:34, Stephen Connolly > wrote: > > On Wednesday 18 November 2015, Emmanuel Lécharny > wrote: > >> Le 18/11/15 11:31, Stephen Connolly a écrit : >>> I believe the issue here is that with CTR it is very easy to miss

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-18 Thread Emmanuel Lécharny
Le 18/11/15 14:34, Stephen Connolly a écrit : > On Wednesday 18 November 2015, Emmanuel Lécharny > wrote: > >> Le 18/11/15 11:31, Stephen Connolly a écrit : >>> I believe the issue here is that with CTR it is very easy to miss the 72h >>> lazy consensus voting (with an

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-18 Thread Stephen Connolly
On Wednesday 18 November 2015, Emmanuel Lécharny wrote: > Le 18/11/15 11:31, Stephen Connolly a écrit : > > I believe the issue here is that with CTR it is very easy to miss the 72h > > lazy consensus voting (with an assumed +1 absence any votes cast) that > most > > CTR

Re: Apache Metrics, Not Apache Humans

2015-11-18 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
On 17 November 2015 at 16:20, Ross Gardler wrote: > Summary of my objection: community building is an art not a science, there is > no "score" that can be placed upon a community. True. Louis. PS Alas, "scores" are chalked against the manager of communities who

Re: [DISCUSS] S2Graph Incubator Proposal

2015-11-18 Thread Hyunsik Choi
Thank you very much Stack! It definitely looks better than just wiki. It would be helpful to improve the proposal. Best regards, Hyunsik On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Stack wrote: > Glad to see s2graph being put up as an incubator project. > > Here [1] are some suggested

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Myriad 0.1.0 (incubating)

2015-11-18 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, >> Could not find zookeeper-tests.jar (org.apache.zookeeper:zookeeper:3.4.6). > > Searched in the following locations: > > file:/Users/johnament/.m2/repository/org/apache/zookeeper/zookeeper/3.4.6/zookeeper-3.4.6-tests.jar I run into the same error, assumed it was my setup and rm -rf

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Myriad 0.1.0 (incubating)

2015-11-18 Thread John D. Ament
Could you include some build instructions? Got this error trying ./gradlew build Could not resolve all dependencies for configuration ':myriad-scheduler:compile'. > Could not find zookeeper-tests.jar (org.apache.zookeeper:zookeeper:3.4.6). Searched in the following locations:

Re: [DISCUSS] OpenMiracl for Incubation

2015-11-18 Thread Nick Kew
On Wed, 2015-11-18 at 08:48 +0900, Brian Spector wrote: > Hi Alex, thank you for the suggestion, but from our point of view, as I > outlined below, we would disadvantage the project as a whole by not having > the MIRACL name in it. > > At the same time, I completely understand the concern that a

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Trafodion (incubating) 1.3.0-incubating (RC4)

2015-11-18 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Sorry -1 Due to license and copyright issues and possible crypto issue. I checked: - artefact contains incubating - signature and hashes good - DISCLAIMER exists - LICENSE is missing a couple of things/has a few issues - NOTICE is good but may be missing thing form other Apache bundled

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Myriad 0.1.0 (incubating)

2015-11-18 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Sorry but it -1 due to inclusion of a jar in the source release. This issue has come up before on the incubator mailing list e.g. [4]. Other than some minor license issues everything else is good. I checked: - artefact name contains incubating - signatures and hashes good - DISCLAIMER

Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Retire Droids (IPMC)

2015-11-18 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > I will attend to the retirement procedures. The retirement procedures for Droids have been completed. Marvin Humphrey - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Kalumet retirement steps

2015-11-18 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
Hi Marvin, As far as I remember, Kalumet is almost exclusively the work of JB Onofre who is an ASF member, therefore I don't see a problem. That said I think it's best to wait a bit and let JB speak up. I cc'ed him, just to make sure he notices this thread. Cheers, Hadrian On 11/18/2015

Re: Kalumet retirement steps

2015-11-18 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > The copyright checkbox for Kalumet is marked with a question mark, which I > interpret as "not checked off": > > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/kalumet#Copyright > > A successful incubating release would