On Feb 28, 2005, at 7:25 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
Dave Johnson wrote:
Proposal for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (prepared by Dave Johnson - Feb 28, 2005)
We the committers and friends of the open source Roller Weblogger
project propose that the project become part of the Apache Software
Foundation. The rest
On Feb 13, 2005, at 6:50 PM, Clinton Begin wrote:
How do you all deal with autoresponders when they're responding to
mailing list posts?
Do you kick the user? Is there a filter?
kick them
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+1
Personally, I needed to see the PPMC make a decision first.
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With no objections and plenty of +1s, the Jackrabbit PPMC and
Incubator PMC hereby approve the addition of Jukka Zitting as
a committer on the Jackrabbit project.
Jackrabbit PPMC:
+1 Roy Fielding
+1 Stefan Guggisberg
+1 Stefano Mazzocchi
+1 David Nuescheler
+1 Peeter Piegaze
+1
jackrabbit site was offline for about 24 hours before it was noticed
by the developers.
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From: Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: February 8, 2005 1:17:20 PM PST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: is http://incubator.apache.org/jackrabbit/ down?
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On Feb 8, 2005, at 1:58 PM, David Crossley wrote:
Do you have a clue as to how this would have happened?
Do you mean that it disappeared when the top-level Incubator
site was generated? It should not, because the project sites
are separate from the top-level site.
I have no idea -- the entire
and you willingness/ability
to sign and submit a Contributor License Agreement found at
http://www.apache.org/licenses/#clas
Feel free to decline the nomination if you do not desire
commit access at this time, or if you are unable to sign the
CLA for any reason.
Cheers,
Roy T. Fielding
I hereby nominate Jukka Zitting ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on the
basis of his sustained interest, quality of work, and desire
to contribute to the project on a long-term basis. Please vote
with your +1 for yes, +0 for abstain, or -1 (not at this time).
+1
Roy
On Jan 17, 2005, at 2:25 PM, Doug Cutting wrote:
I don't appear to yet have the Karma to do this, so I've attached a
diff. Since I'll expect to update this frequently, I should probably
get the required Karma. How do I do that?
You now have karma, mailing lists, and a subversion repository.
The update system Eclipse uses requires stable (unchanging) URLs
for the plugins. We'd like to get the Derby plugin for Eclipse
into that system, which means we'd like to see about getting a
URL which won't change when/if Derby graduates.
In what address space?
In any persistent address a.o space
On Jan 5, 2005, at 1:24 AM, Raphaël Luta wrote:
I have the following requests pending for Graffito:
Mailing-lists:
--
Name: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Archives: public, Eyebrowse
Moderator:
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done except for eyebrowse
Name: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Archives: public, Eyebrowse
recognized the vote, you need three +1s from the
following group of people (the incubator pmc):
Aaron Bannert
Noel Bergman
Nicola Ken Barozzi
Ken Coar
Morgan Delegrange
Roy T. Fielding
Ceki Gulcu
Paul Hammant
James Holmes
Ted Husted
Jim Jagielski
Berin
On Dec 30, 2004, at 10:26 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I believe that there are some misunderstandings. There is an
architecture
for a unified Directory Server. That server is made from a number of
components: the core JNDI backend, the local JNDI code, the network
support,
ASN.1 encoding
On Dec 27, 2004, at 8:16 PM, Alex Karasulu wrote:
Before discussing each specific item below I'd like to point out a few
things. The ASF had through the incubator given us a link to an
online service for looking up trademarks. We were told this service
should be used to determine if there
On Dec 28, 2004, at 6:22 PM, Trustin Lee wrote:
I'm the author of MINA (Multipurpose Infrastructure for Network
Applications) subproject in Apache Directory project. We are checking
our project names before releasing them. I checked the name 'MINA',
and I found three trademark holders. None of
-1 The incubator status file does not reflect any progress towards
clearing the IP (you MUST update that file).
Furthermore, the release artifacts use names that are trademarked and in
use by other projects. Some questions need to be answered, while others
require a rename:
1) Has Matt
+1
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There is no problem. There is no reason at all for any one project
to own the CMS space at Apache. It makes sense for Slide to replace
its back-end with Jackrabbit for one and only one reason: such an
architecture will enable substitutability of its back-end and simplify
Slide's implementation.
The Jackrabbit project has completed all of the Incubator checklist
items in terms of moving to Apache and getting the IP transfer done.
With the help of Maven, we have a full website set up at
http://incubator.apache.org/jackrabbit/
with a few link bugs due to the svn/viewcvs integration. Our
Never cross-post to community.
what if incubating mentors would abuse their powers to interfer with
the
normal evolution of Apache incubation projects.
What is normal evolution? For that matter, what are the mentor powers
that you are speaking of here? Mentoring is a burden, not a power.
I
On Oct 4, 2004, at 7:23 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
Jennifer B Machovec wrote:
I thought it might be helpful to give some background on the all
rights
reserved phrase. The requirement for this phrase originated in the
Buenos Aires Convention of 1910, which provided that a copyright
owner
We should create https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/agila, and
move
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site-publish/
project
s/agila to wherever under the agila project's structure you want to
keep
your site sources. The same is true of the generated artifacts,
On Sep 24, 2004, at 4:27 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
okey, after discussing this in seven different directions, we
have a clear conclusion, which i'll summarise here:
A conclusion by whom? The board? Robyn? IBM?
1. the NOTICE file (or NOTICE.txt) gets created if it doesn't
already
That is correct. 2 main issues with any codebase
that the ASF develops is that (1) it be under the
Apache License and (2) that the Copyright be assigned
to the ASF.
So it must be licensed by the ASF (via the AL) and
owned by the ASF.
That is not correct: CLAs and software grants are licenses,
not
I was working on the initial docs and mailing lists over the weekend
and got stuck on making a distinction between the JCR API (JSR 170)
and the Apache podling creating an implementation of it. As Gianugo
said on the Slide mailing list
...my first proposal would be rethink the name: jcr or
On Sep 6, 2004, at 5:37 AM, David Crossley wrote:
As i have said in other threads i would like to assist more
with the Incubator website. This would be the case no matter
what documentation system is going to be used. So would i have
karma to commit to the Incubator CVS.
Karma is granted. Thanks
creating the status files, mailing lists, etc. In order to save
infrastructure some work, the developers have decided to start
with SVN instead of CVS.
Roy
[*] binding +1s from Roy T. Fielding, Noel J. Bergman,
Nicola Ken Barozzi, Berin Lautenbach, Leo Simons, Greg Stein,
Cliff Schmidt
+1
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What are the chances that you would consider Subversion instead of CVS?
We are already using cvs. Subversion would be an added distraction,
and I am not yet convinced that it is adequately protected against
database corruption and password guessing.
Roy
Could someone aware of its status please add MyFaces to the
incubator projects section, like the other incubating podlings:
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/index.html
http://incubator.apache.org/howtoparticipate.html#Updating+the+site
Roy
On Tuesday, August 10, 2004, at 12:52 PM, Michael Wechner wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I assumed that no votes would be counted as positive silent votes
Nope. There is a notion of Lazy Consenus, but silence is not a
vote.
Please apologize if I don't fully understand, but how
do you define
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Personally, I'd like to see one or two quantitative rules (such as one
about independent committers to allow for vetoes) and then leave the
rest
up to a voting body that will evaluate graduation against some general
guidelines. I also think the voting body should be the PPMC, which is
made up of
On Friday, June 11, 2004, at 04:01 AM, Leo Simons wrote:
[is the rule that a project just needs 3 independent committers, or is
there an additional rule that no more than 50% of the committers must
be part of a single company?]
IIRC that 50% rule applies, but IANAL. Roy, Nicola?
I have no idea
On Monday, May 24, 2004, at 02:47 PM, Cliff Schmidt wrote:
Based on the Incubator's approval* of the Beehive project, please
create the following public mailing lists and enable them to be
viewable through Eyebrowse:
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Done. I have sub'd Cliff to both lists, as
+1
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Under no circumstance is it ever appropriate to cc the pmc list
when talking on a public list. Just don't do it. The only reason
we have that list is to talk about things that cannot be discussed
in public. It is not where the PMC lives. It is not necessary
to get the PMC's attention. The PMC
I would like to get personally involved in this project. I'll add
myself to the ppmc and dev lists when they are created, but whether
or not I am listed as an initial committer I'll leave up to the
folks proposing the project [OTOH, if I am, that will pretty much
obligate me to stay involved, at
+1
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It's also interesting to note that the current ASF license,
Apache License 2.0 (http://apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0),
includes text (see paragraph 5) that basically says that any
time someone makes a contribution to Apache, they are implicitly
agreeing to license their contribution under the
what happens if a ASF sponsored project (lets take jakarta for example)
is the subject of a patent dispute say 2-3 years from inception.
We either ask the patent owner for a license or wait until the patent
owner demands we have one, depending on the nature of the patent.
and lets say that the
Normative material seems to indicate otherwise. Reference?
Moving an Apache project to TLP is a decision by the board. They
might ask incubator to help do something, but they haven't yet.
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We need to finish voting here, but in the meantime go ahead and fill
out a
new copy as axion.cwiki. When the vote passes, we will make sure that
you
and/or the DB PMC Chair has karma for the CVS module to check it in.
Then
the PPMC can review it, and if there are no issues, we can probably
I also don't think it's really that much work on the behalf of a
project
trying to enter Apache to do a little leg work in resolving that before
entering.
I didn't say they shouldn't try -- I said it wasn't necessary.
As far as I am concerned, no existing project should be allowed
to create
There is no reason for a project to have a final destination until
it has to go somewhere other than incubator, at which point it can
decide whether it wants to be a TLP (calling for a board vote) or
part of an existing project (calling for that project's pmc to vote).
Maybe we should have a six
Roy made a comment that a condition for leaving the incubator is that
the
name be changed. I hadn't heard that before, but those are two
incompatible
views.
I said that the condition was that it would be reconsidered; basically,
that any comments to the effect that it is now too late or the
I honestly didn't think the use of the name in this context was an
abuse.
I don't think it is abuse -- he is a historical figure and he died
over 100 years ago, so there is no real fear of being sued for it.
I just think it is wrong.
Roy
The project was initiated on condition that the name would be
reconsidered prior to becoming a TLP. I don't really care at this
point, except to note that if we do get an objection regarding the
name from folks who have a right to object, then the project will
have to change its name and everyone
Apache was named after the Apache tribes -- a patchy server was an
afterthought. We've generally avoided any discussion of the topic
because involvement of a native american activist will only result
in trouble for us. Those people are not Apache -- they don't even have
a clue. The various
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From: Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed Mar 12, 2003 9:46:04 PM America/Los_Angeles
To: members at apache.org
Subject: PMCs gone wild
I am getting a bit frustrated at what appears to be a serious attitude
problem within the Apache projects. A lot of people seem to wait
The /www/incubator.apache.org/ directory tree on minotaur contains
both a checked-out incubator-site *and* the generated output of a
forrestbot via incubator. It obviously can't be both.
Personally, I've had my fill of this kind of crap being left on
our public infrastructure. I shouldn't have
So if I understand this correctly the discussions on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
should now be conducted on infrastructure where we are talking about
the
physical layout of the repository in a file system that is accessible
via http.
It is my understanding that repository is a topic-specific mailing list
It is usually unwise to mix insults with requests. However,
the point of collaboration is not to obtain the civility of a
collegial discussion over tea; the point is to accomplish the
task. Continual discussion of issues that are not relevant to
the task being collaborated upon is not
I would add one more requirement to above statement - namely
machine-friendly. There is an emerging requirement for application
driven downloading that has the potential to significantly exceed the
classic browser driven requirements that the ASF is addressing today.
This has a direct impact
One of the things that happened when we updated the main incubator
site is
that it blew away the project site(s). What do we want to tell a
project to
do about its site. How should Geronimo link a project site into what
is now
their STATUS page?
Obviously, they can just do it, but is there a
Cannot open /home/cvs/CVSROOT/commitlogs/incubator: Permission denied
The group permissions on that file are wrong -- I've asked root to
fix it.
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The page is obsolete and does not reflect reality, the distinction is
really not there.
Right, the existing web site is nothing more than a draft. That is why
it is a bit silly to create all these other draft and whiteboard and
wiki places for other drafts. Please move all relevant content to
Assuming the Apache DB PMC approves Axion as a new subproject:
1) Other than the attribution of copyright to the ASF, the switch to
the
ASL, and the submission of a signed CLA for those that haven't already
done so, what specfic criteria/goals need to be met in order to
succesfully complete
I have checked in the incubator CVS a new version of the Incubator
site, with a proposed new layout.
I am now stuck with exactly this issue, the STATUS files.
Could you give me a hand in making a version that can be effectively
used for identifying action items in order?
We could use a
The STATUS file is passive. Jira is active. The STATUS file requires
the
submitter to have CVS commit access to that module, and CVS knowledge.
Jira
has its own access control, and a built-in UI. The STATUS file
requires
human parsing to understand the priorities. Jira has a prioritization
The ASF loves the Greek Myth :-) Mentor was Odysseus's good teacher and
mental supporter. I prefer Mentor to Shepherd.
Er, the ASF rarely speaks with one voice -- Stefano loves the Greek
Myth,
and the rest of us just tolerate it because we like Stefano. ;-)
Personally, I prefer Shepherd, since
See :
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?IncubatorPolicyDraft
for an *embryonic* version of the normative document.
This is the one I was suggesting should actually have a formal vote,
as this is the one that people will point to and say here is what you
have to do.
Er, I have way
With thanks. Will take this approach. Was not sure if you all wanted
the incubator to run by these rules given its slightly different focus
for documentation.
One caveat - at some point the actual policy document is (I would
assume) going to require a vote of the Incubator PMC.
CTR is a vote
The PMC is on the incubator general list. DO NOT cross-post items
from public mailing lists onto the pmc lists. The only reason to
post information to the pmc lists is if it is sensitive information
that is not appropriate for a public forum. All discussion and
setting of
Ok - going with Apache tradition - its not the PMC that makes the
decision of a *release*.
BZZZT. According to the bylaws, the only people authorized to make
decisions
on behalf of the ASF (including the decision to release code to the
general
public) are officers or the PMC responsible for
Java is simply the chosen implementation platform for an RFC-compliant
server, just as C/APR is the implementation platform for the HTTP
server.
The wire-level protocol is RFC based and language neutral. The
project can
host other languages when appropriate, and would certainly provide
Greg posted a message back on the 18th noting that a PMC vote on the
entry of the project to the incubator would be kicked off under the
private [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. I don't know the specifics of Incubator
voting policies but I guessing we will see a vote result early next
week.
I saw
+1, though I'd really appreciate it if people would stop proposing
votes on individuals in public, and further that the results on voting
for a new chair be declared effective or defunct so that I can start
asking the right person to manage these votes and announce a decision
when one has been
I think any ASF member that wants to be active in any part of incubation
should be immediately placed on the PMC as soon as they request it.
Non-ASF members should have to prove themselves worthy first, taking
into
consideration their involvement in other ASF projects, but they too
should
be
I've no issue with rules, except when we say we have rules but can't
articulate them. Example #1. What should the names of the mailing
lists and CVS be? [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
We don't have that rule. Nicola Ken suggested creating such a rule.
My opinion is that we will
+1
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Reporting back from the Avalon PMC (Nicola and myself on the PMC), and
after having gained the concensus of the committers for Avalon, we
have decided that a more appropriate home for our most excellent
FtpServer server app would be here in incubator. Alternatives were
discussed, but Incubator
The incubator will always be a cabbage. What does a cabbage have to
do with Tapestry's incubation? Exactly.
Why is this concept so hard to understand? Incubator is a project. It
is
not an entity. By definition, anything done by way of incubation falls
under the category of incubator. The
Don't cry to me about ignored bits if you can't bother to use CVS.
In that case forget it. I won't waste my time. There is no middle
ground.
Obviously you have more of a passion for quitting than you do for
making progress. Why did you volunteer to be the shepherd?
I think the incubator is a
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