Collaborative Development items on Incubator status pages (was Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process)

2006-11-15 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Craig L Russell wrote: On Nov 10, 2006, at 7:03 PM, Mike Kienenberger wrote: On 11/10/06, Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 6. Cayenne: Mentors:Jean Anderson, Brian McAllister, Bill Dudney Started:March 2006 Incomplete: Nothing Diverity: Unknown

Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-13 Thread Sam Ruby
Cliff Schmidt wrote: On 11/10/06, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we go the first route, then we should treat this list as an announcements list. Results of votes for releases and graduation are posted here, and incubator PMC members will be given 72 hours to raise an issue. I've been

Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-13 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 11/13/06, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken wrot: snip Worse, there are some that have made releases while the IP issues -- according to the status page -- are still in doubt. :-( Error in oversight by us, then. What kind(s) of IP issues? i've only just started to check

automate everything! (was: Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process)

2006-11-13 Thread Leo Simons
On Nov 11, 2006, at 12:05 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: (On a side note: To be perfectly frank, it makes me cringe to see this horribly effort-intensive and error-prone process being used by the ASF. IMHO, all this stuff should be regularised and normalised and maintained via Web forms. If

RE: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Garrett Rooney wrote: I think it's unrealistic to expect that the majority of the members of the incubator PMC will be involved in most votes. The Incubator PMC is the second largest in the ASF, and likely to become the largest in short order. As long as we have sufficient oversight, I agree

RE: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: People like Robert have been complete stud muffins in this regards. Big kudos to him and RAT. It's been a major step forward and I'm very thankful for his recent efforts. Robert has been a huge help, and I'd like to encourage the use of RAT ASF-wide, and at least as

RE: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Sam Ruby wrote: I call on those who wish to set the expectation that certain votes are to occur on this list to actively foster the notion that people who are members of this PMC are expected to actively participate. Better? Yes. :-) --- Noel

RE: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Ken asked: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Sam Ruby wrote: There seems to be a persistent delusion that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is where incubation happens. That is perjorative. Want to start again? What the flying moose ears is wrong with people today? Everyone seems to be hyper-sensitive and twitchy.

RE: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Ken wrote: Garrett raises a point about which I want to ask. What criteria should a mentor use when it comes to voting on a release? I for one can't make any judgement of its technical worth. IMO: IP issues and decision making process. And RAT. And, of course, the Mentor is able to also

RE: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Daniel Kulp wrote: In the last couple months, I've seen MULTIPLE instances where the mentors for various projects (according to their proposal and STATUS pages) didn't even know they were mentors for the project. I've seen responses like I didn't look at it or vote because I didn't know I

Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-12 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 11/12/06, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That may be true, but as ASF Members (which most are), I would expect (and have observed) that they have an overall concern regarding events that effect the ASF. Sure, but having an overall concern about events that effect the ASF is

RE: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Ken wrot: I just spent a considerable amount of time going through all the podling status pages, and there's a certain.. lack of uniformity about them. I've attached the results. Thank you for doing that, Ken. :-) I've noted the same when doing spot checks in the past, as have (for

RE: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Garrett Rooney wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: That may be true, but as ASF Members (which most are), I would expect (and have observed) that they have an overall concern regarding events that effect the ASF. Sure, but having an overall concern about events that effect the ASF is

Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-10 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 11/10/06, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There seems to be a persistent delusion that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is where incubation happens. The reality is that all the real incubating happens on the PPMC private and dev lists. We can correct this in one of two ways: recognize what actually is

RE: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-10 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Sam Ruby wrote: There seems to be a persistent delusion that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is where incubation happens. That is perjorative. Want to start again? --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For

Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-10 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 11/10/06, Garrett Rooney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mean at the very least I would expect to see +1 votes from the project mentors as soon as the vote thread starts on [EMAIL PROTECTED], since at least in theory if there was anything that would keep them from voting +1 they would have raised

Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-10 Thread Sam Ruby
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Sam Ruby wrote: There seems to be a persistent delusion that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is where incubation happens. That is perjorative. Indeed. It is rather rare to see such from me, wouldn't you say? Perhaps I feel rather strongly about the current state of this ever

Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-10 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Garrett raises a point about which I want to ask. What criteria should a mentor use when it comes to voting on a release? I for one can't make any judgement of its technical worth.. - -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini

Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-10 Thread Henri Yandell
On 11/10/06, Garrett Rooney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/10/06, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There seems to be a persistent delusion that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is where incubation happens. The reality is that all the real incubating happens on the PPMC private and dev lists. We can

Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-10 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Noel J. Bergman wrote: Sam Ruby wrote: There seems to be a persistent delusion that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is where incubation happens. That is perjorative. Want to start again? What the flying moose ears is wrong with people today? Everyone

Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-10 Thread Daniel Kulp
On Friday November 10 2006 11:06 am, Garrett Rooney wrote: I mean at the very least I would expect to see +1 votes from the project mentors as soon as the vote thread starts on [EMAIL PROTECTED], since at least in theory if there was anything that would keep them from voting +1 they would have

Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-10 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 11/10/06, Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Garrett raises a point about which I want to ask. What criteria should a mentor use when it comes to voting on a release? I for one can't make any judgement of its technical worth.. Personally, when I'm voting with my Incubator PMC

Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-10 Thread Henri Yandell
On 11/10/06, Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Garrett raises a point about which I want to ask. What criteria should a mentor use when it comes to voting on a release? I for one can't make any judgement of its technical worth.. The

Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-10 Thread Henri Yandell
On 11/10/06, Daniel Kulp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday November 10 2006 11:06 am, Garrett Rooney wrote: I mean at the very least I would expect to see +1 votes from the project mentors as soon as the vote thread starts on [EMAIL PROTECTED], since at least in theory if there was anything

Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-10 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, On 11/10/06, Garrett Rooney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, when I'm voting with my Incubator PMC hat on, I'm voting based on the fact that the project has followed the ASF guidelines for how to prepare and vote on a release, and that we've legally speaking got all our ducks in a row

Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-10 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Nov 10, 2006, at 7:18 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: There seems to be a persistent delusion that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is where incubation happens. The reality is that all the real incubating happens on the PPMC private and dev lists. We can correct this in one of two ways: recognize what actually

Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-10 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Sam Ruby wrote: There seems to be a persistent delusion that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is where incubation happens. That is perjorative. Want to start again? I just spent a considerable amount of time going through all the podling status pages, and there's a certain.. lack

Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-10 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 11/10/06, Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Abdera: Mentors:Garrett Rooney, Paul Querna Started:July 2006 Incomplete: Identification, Interim Responsibility, Copyright Diversity: Unknown Releases: Unknown FWIW, when Ken pointed out to me

Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-10 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 11/10/06, Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 18. Lucene4c: Mentors:Erik Hatcher Started:Unknown Incomplete: All Diversity: Unknown Releases: Unknown Also FWIW, this one has been retired, I just hadn't updated its status page to note that fact.

Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-10 Thread Cliff Schmidt
On 11/10/06, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we go the first route, then we should treat this list as an announcements list. Results of votes for releases and graduation are posted here, and incubator PMC members will be given 72 hours to raise an issue. I've been advising podlings with

Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-10 Thread Henri Yandell
On 11/10/06, Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Sam Ruby wrote: There seems to be a persistent delusion that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is where incubation happens. That is perjorative. Want to start again? I just spent a considerable amount of time going

Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-10 Thread Craig L Russell
On Nov 10, 2006, at 7:03 PM, Mike Kienenberger wrote: On 11/10/06, Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 6. Cayenne: Mentors:Jean Anderson, Brian McAllister, Bill Dudney Started:March 2006 Incomplete: Nothing Diverity: Unknown Releases: 1 All eight