RE: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Roy, Thanks. So let's clarify some of these issues (out of order from your reply). [The need for a Mentor to be an ASF Member was] imposed by no other agency than the Incubator PMC, itself. A need imposed by the board when it created the Incubator with a given purpose that cannot be

RE: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-15 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That doesn't mean people need to be an ASF member to be involved in incubation of a project Goes without saying. :-) More on the rest in a bit. --- Noel - To unsubscribe,

RE: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-15 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Roy T. Fielding wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Membership is a half-way point? What's the full distance? ;-) I'll let you know when I get there. According to some, disagreeing with Roy is the obligatory Right of Passage. ;-) But I agree with you: It is absolute nonsense to have someone

Re: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-15 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 7/14/06, Cliff Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/14/06, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/14/06, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenneth Tam wrote: http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html A Mentor is a role

Re: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-15 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 14, 2006, at 11:20 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: We just voted to elect a non-Member ASF Officer to the Incubator PMC in order for him to act as Mentor for the projects sponsored by the PMC of which he is the PMC Chair. Do we wish to declare that election and process null and void? Or do

[doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-14 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 7/14/06, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenneth Tam wrote: http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html A Mentor is a role undertaken by a permanent member of the Apache Software Foundation and is chosen by the Sponsor to actively lead in the

Re: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-14 Thread Cliff Schmidt
On 7/14/06, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/14/06, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenneth Tam wrote: http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html A Mentor is a role undertaken by a permanent member of the Apache Software

RE: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Cliff Schmidt wrote: Could someone point to the post that would explain how it should be fixed? To quote myself, but this is hardly the first time it has come up: --- Mentors are (MUST BE) Incubator PMC Members. ASF Members are automatically eligible for PMC membership; non-Members may be

Re: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-14 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 14, 2006, at 1:14 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: To quote myself, but this is hardly the first time it has come up: --- Mentors are (MUST BE) Incubator PMC Members. ASF Members are automatically eligible for PMC membership; non-Members may be elected at the discretion of the Incubator

RE: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Roy T. Fielding wrote: It is absolute nonsense to have someone guiding newbies through the ASF process when they haven't even made it to the halfway point themselves. Membership is a half-way point? What's the full distance? ;-) But I agree with you: It is absolute nonsense to have someone

Re: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-14 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 14, 2006, at 1:57 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: It is absolute nonsense to have someone guiding newbies through the ASF process when they haven't even made it to the halfway point themselves. Membership is a half-way point? What's the full distance? ;-) I'll

Re: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-14 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 7/14/06, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That doesn't mean people need to be an ASF member to be involved in incubation of a project -- they simply don't meet the required need for a Mentor who is an ASF member. +1. -- justin

Re: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-14 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
On 7/14/06, Justin Erenkrantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/14/06, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That doesn't mean people need to be an ASF member to be involved in incubation of a project -- they simply don't meet the required need for a Mentor who is an ASF member. +1. --