Hi
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, and Jukka picked up the gauntlet thrown down by the board and
used the shepherds to turn the situation around. The resulting system
does not feel like a finished product, and I suspect that the Finn in
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:16 AM, Prescott Nasser geobmx...@hotmail.com wrote:
I don't know what it takes to become and IPMC member, but I kind of like the
idea of
having roles that don't require such formality (I may think too highly of the
process and
role), but still can be recognized as
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
Empirically, Model 1 did not work. That's been tried over the past ten years.
Yes, and Jukka picked up the gauntlet thrown down by the board and
used the shepherds to turn the situation around. The resulting system
does not feel
Empirically, Model 1 did not work. That's been tried over the past ten years.
*shrug* ... whatever you want to do. I just wanted to speak up that
you appeared to be conflating the mentor and shepherd roles (as they
had been defined over the past couple months). If you *intend* to
combine them
Nov 2012 22:54:53 -0500
Subject: Re: Anticipating my reign of terror -- new idea for December
From: gst...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Empirically, Model 1 did not work. That's been tried over the past ten years.
*shrug* ... whatever you want to do. I just wanted to speak up
2. We need the shepherds to compensate for mentor shortages in addition
to
discovering those.
I disagree.
In short, you are conflating mentors with IPMC Members. They serve
*very* different roles.
Greg, let me start by writing that I am not in some hurry to turn shepherds
into pie. If
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
...
1. A number of people think that all mentors should have been signing all
reports all along, so that changing the template as part of clarifying this
is not a big deal.
Sure. The mentors should be part of the
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
...At the bottom of the template for each podling's report, I'd like to have a
space for each of the mentors, every month, to reaffirm his or her
involvement in the podling...
+1, and as Ross says this can just be
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
...At the bottom of the template for each podling's report, I'd like to have
a
space for each of the mentors, every month, to
Hi,
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
At the bottom of the template for each podling's report, I'd like to have a
space for each of the mentors, every month, to reaffirm his or her
involvement in the podling. Thus, instead of (at most) one mentor
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi,
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
At the bottom of the template for each podling's report, I'd like to
have a
space for each of the mentors, every month, to
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.orgwrote:
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
Reading all the remarks so far, I glean:
1. A number of people think that all mentors should have been signing all
reports
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
However, the
problem here isn't identifying inactive mentors (as seen earlier, we
already have everything we need for that) but rather how to replace
them. So far, apart from the shepherd model, we haven't seen too
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Bernd Fondermann
bernd.fonderm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
At the bottom of the template for each podling's report, I'd like to have a
space for each of the mentors, every month, to
We vote in one of these people fairly regularly, and we've never rejected
one yet as far as I recall. So I think that this solution has proved
acceptable; the question is, how many of the podlings with a mentor
shortage have a suitable candidate in them? I intend to find out.
On Mon, Nov 5,
I want to thank all of you for the vote(s) of confidence in recommending me
as the IPMC chair. While it's always possible that the Board will decline
the suggestion, it doesn't seem too terribly presumptuous to start looking
ahead.
My goal is to continue along the path blazed by Jukka, and then,
On Nov 4, 2012, at 23:29 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
At the bottom of the template for each podling's report, I'd like to have a
space for each of the mentors, every month, to reaffirm his or her
involvement in the podling. Thus, instead of (at most) one mentor signing
My understanding of mentor sign off is that all active mentors sign off,
not just one. Lack of sign off means the mentor has been busy elsewhere for
that quarter and feels unqualified to signoff.
So,whilst looking for absent mentors is good I'd suggest we already have a
process in place and thus
acting as a mentor that was never my understanding. if the result of
this thread is to clarify this point, fine.
On Nov 4, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
My understanding of mentor sign off is that all active mentors sign off,
not just one. Lack of sign off
+1
I like the idea. We'll obviously need to update our docs.
Regards,
Alan
On Nov 4, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
acting as a mentor that was never my understanding. if the result of
this thread is to clarify this point, fine.
On Nov 4, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Ross Gardler
+1; this matches my understanding. -C
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
My understanding of mentor sign off is that all active mentors sign off,
not just one. Lack of sign off means the mentor has been busy elsewhere for
that quarter and feels
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
I want to thank all of you for the vote(s) of confidence in recommending me
as the IPMC chair. While it's always possible that the Board will decline
the suggestion, it doesn't seem too terribly presumptuous to start
The simple change that you seem to be suggesting is rather than having a
space where mentors can add their names, add their names to the report,
and expect them to sign +1 by it.
This seems quite reasonable, making it a little more obvious that
mentors at *supposed* to sign reports. It makes it
Upayavira wrote on Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 06:48:28 +:
Having said that, I personally would like to see some kind of separation
between mentors and the incubator PMC. I think th PMC should be a
smaller, more active group who take a more active interest in the
incubator as it is, and perhaps
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
At the bottom of the template for each podling's report, I'd like to have a
space for each of the mentors, every month, to reaffirm his or her
involvement in the podling. Thus, instead of (at most) one mentor
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