Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-23 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 10/21/06, Tim Ellison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20/10/06, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2006, at 3:34 AM, Tim Ellison wrote: To be clear, our snapshots are more than a simple snap of Subversion -- we (the Harmony community) discuss the right time to create the

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-23 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Sunday 22 October 2006 01:16, Tim Ellison wrote: I was able to attend a US an EU ApacheCon and get my key signed by a number of members, and in turn sign a number of other peoples', so I believe that all the pieces are in place for me, and others in Harmony, to conduct a bona fide release

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-21 Thread Tim Ellison
On 20/10/06, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2006, at 3:34 AM, Tim Ellison wrote: To be clear, our snapshots are more than a simple snap of Subversion -- we (the Harmony community) discuss the right time to create the development snapshot to accommodate known instability

Re: Harmony doing a release now would be busy work with no utilty (was: Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation))

2006-10-21 Thread Tim Ellison
On 20/10/06, Greg Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look. You guys are freakin' nuts. :-) that is a pre-req' for tackling something like harmony. Tim -- Tim Ellison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-20 Thread Tim Ellison
Greg Stein wrote: On 10/19/06, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right. I said it would be useful to see if the community can make it happen. I know that *some individuals* can, but that is different. I didn't vote, I didn't say it was a requirement, just asked: why can't you pull

Harmony doing a release now would be busy work with no utilty (was: Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation))

2006-10-20 Thread Leo Simons
On Oct 20, 2006, at 1:24 AM, Greg Stein wrote: On 10/19/06, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 19, 2006, at 3:32 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: ... I'd like to ask that those who have asked for a release to assuage concerns about community health and capability to please read

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-20 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Tim Ellison wrote: To be clear, our snapshots are more than a simple snap of Subversion -- we (the Harmony community) discuss the right time to create the development snapshot to accommodate known instability caused by work in flight, publish the snapshot with the required incubator

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-20 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Oct 20, 2006, at 3:34 AM, Tim Ellison wrote: To be clear, our snapshots are more than a simple snap of Subversion -- we (the Harmony community) discuss the right time to create the development snapshot to accommodate known instability caused by work in flight, publish the snapshot with

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-20 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: I certainly hope that the concept of 'releasing the code' isn't just a tick mark - I'd imagined (contrary to other proposals flying around) that it's the end goal of nearly any collaborative effort at the ASF, no? No, because then

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Last checkpoint, Has the sponsoring PMC [e.g. Board] voted to accept the project? You have a few hours yet to put a resolution on their plate for next week. And honestly - they would probably table it for review even if you gave them a month lead time, so might

Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Oh, what a trip this has been. I like consensus. I don't like out-of-the-blue discussion-less votes on big issues (and Incubator graduation is a big issue). I prefer to have a vote as an unambiguous ratification of what was agreed upon beforehand. In retrospect, it might have been

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-19 Thread Mads Toftum
On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 06:32:04AM -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: If we can reach consensus (with the exception of Mads who doesn't want to see Harmony here, and Roy for other good reasons due to my stupidity), I'd like to then move to the ratification vote. I'll withdraw most of my

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-19 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Oh, what a trip this has been. :) I'd like to ask that those who have asked for a release to assuage concerns about community health and capability to please read those 3 testaments from the mentors (ok, in Leo's case, 71 or so...) and please consider withdrawing

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-19 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Oct 19, 2006, at 3:32 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I agree with the motivations behind asking for a release, but disagree that a release is the only way to satisfy IPMC's need for information about the health and capability of a podling's future life as a TLP. It isn't -- it is just

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-19 Thread Sam Ruby
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: IMHO - the only reason to have a project (TLP or subproject, no matter) is to release code. Anything prior to a release might be a sandbox, it might be a podling, it might be a lose alliance of the willing. Whatever... [snip] That said ... I don't believe

RE: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-19 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Sam Ruby wrote: Of course, one could simply manufacture a synthetic release for the purposes of satisfying a perceived incubation requirement, but honestly, that seems more like one of the ticky-marks driven processes I tend to see within my day job than anything I would expect to see at

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-19 Thread Greg Stein
On 10/19/06, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 19, 2006, at 3:32 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: ... I'd like to ask that those who have asked for a release to assuage concerns about community health and capability to please read those 3 testaments from the mentors (ok, in Leo's

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Greg Stein wrote: On 10/19/06, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 19, 2006, at 3:32 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: ... I'd like to ask that those who have asked for a release to assuage concerns about community health and capability to please read those 3 testaments from the

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-19 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Sam Ruby wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: IMHO - the only reason to have a project (TLP or subproject, no matter) is to release code. Anything prior to a release might be a sandbox, it might be a podling, it might be a lose alliance of the willing. Whatever... [snip] That said ... I

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Sam Ruby wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: IMHO - the only reason to have a project (TLP or subproject, no matter) is to release code. Anything prior to a release might be a sandbox, it might be a podling, it might be a lose alliance of the willing. Whatever...