Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-11 Thread Andy Seaborne
On 10/11/10 23:28, Jeremy Carroll wrote: - The core API for (mutable) graphs in: http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/mvn-site/org.apache.clerezza.rdf.core/apidocs/index.html

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Andy Seaborne andy.seabo...@epimorphics.com wrote: ...Advice on an appropriate discussion forum welcome - while we're in a state of exploring the relationships of projects, I'm guessing that here is the only common place there is... Best might be to move

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-10 Thread Jeremy Carroll
- The core API for (mutable) graphs in: http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/mvn-site/org.apache.clerezza.rdf.core/apidocs/index.html

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-09 Thread Paolo Castagna
Olivier Grisel wrote: On 8 November 2010 15:54, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: Hi, I'm following up on discussions here regarding relationships between the incubating Clerezza podling and incoming Stanbol and Jena podlings (see proposals at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator).

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-09 Thread Reto Bachmann-Gmuer
Hi Jeremy One of Clerezza aims was to use an RDF api that is maximally close to RDF abstract syntax and semantics, on this RDF core api we have different façades and utilities as well as a frontend adapter implementing the jena API. Related standards like SPARQL and the various serialization

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-09 Thread Andy Seaborne
I haven't understood yet the relationship of Stanbol and Clerezza to be able to say anything about how a commons area between those two systems might work. In terms of direct dependencies, does Stanbol just directly depend on Clerezza and only indirectly on Sesame, Jena rdf2go and the OWLAPI

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-09 Thread Florent Guillaume
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Andy Seaborne andy.seabo...@epimorphics.com wrote: Jeremy identified the IRI library as a potential contribution to a commons area.  It is free-standing, and does not use or call any Jena RDF code - it depends only on ICU4J (and JUnit + Jflex in the build).

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-09 Thread Andy Seaborne
On 09/11/10 16:22, Florent Guillaume wrote: On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Andy Seaborne andy.seabo...@epimorphics.com wrote: Jeremy identified the IRI library as a potential contribution to a commons area. It is free-standing, and does not use or call any Jena RDF code - it depends only

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-09 Thread Jeremy Carroll
On 11/9/2010 8:22 AM, Florent Guillaume wrote: On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Andy Seaborne andy.seabo...@epimorphics.com wrote: Jeremy identified the IRI library as a potential contribution to a commons area. It is free-standing, and does not use or call any Jena RDF code - it depends only

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-09 Thread Jeremy Carroll
I could be accused of having gone overboard ... each of the slightly different specs as an explicit representation in the code ... Having changed job and looking at this from a different perspective I am less convinced by the pickiness. There is a largely unrealized goal in the IRI code to link

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-09 Thread Andy Seaborne
On 09/11/10 16:59, Jeremy Carroll wrote: I could be accused of having gone overboard ... yes ... :-) Having changed job and looking at this from a different perspective I am less convinced by the pickiness. At least leave the picky mode there, please. It's been very helpful in working

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-09 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: ...I'm following up on discussions here regarding relationships between the incubating Clerezza podling and incoming Stanbol and Jena podlings... Thanks everybody for your replies, I think they show that the

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-09 Thread Tommaso Teofili
2010/11/8 Reto Bachmann-Gmuer reto.bachm...@trialox.org I described this parts of Clerezza because they seem to be quite close to what you suggest for commons. As it is hard to share utilities without having shared APIs for the core stuff our code deals with I think some efforts in this area

Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, I'm following up on discussions here regarding relationships between the incubating Clerezza podling and incoming Stanbol and Jena podlings (see proposals at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator). Do people agree with the following structure? 1. Clerezza, Stanbol and Jena are independent

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-08 Thread Ross Gardler
As champion for Jena I agree in principle. I can't speak for the Jena team if course, but representatives are tracking this list and have started discussing in their project list. I will be making the formal Jena proposal here very soon (just as soon as I'm not limited to the iPhone) - its in

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-08 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Wow! Jena is proposing to come to Apache??! Sweet! We've used it in OODT since 2003...looking forward to it! Cheers, Chris On 11/8/10 7:04 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote: As champion for Jena I agree in principle. I can't speak for the Jena team if course, but representatives are

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-08 Thread Olivier Grisel
On 8 November 2010 15:54, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: Hi, I'm following up on discussions here regarding relationships between the incubating Clerezza podling and incoming Stanbol and Jena podlings (see proposals at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator). Do people agree

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Olivier Grisel ogri...@nuxeo.com wrote: On 8 November 2010 15:54, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: ... 1. Clerezza, Stanbol and Jena are independent podlings, each aiming for top-level status There is a depedency relationship:... Agreed - I

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-08 Thread Chris Mattmann
@incubator.apache.orggeneral@incubator.apache.org Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT? Wow! Jena is proposing to come to Apache??! Sweet! We've used it in OODT since 2003...looking forward to it! Cheers, Chris On 11/8/10 7

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-08 Thread Ian Dickinson
On 08/11/10 15:09, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Wow! Jena is proposing to come to Apache??! Yep, the proposal has been under discussion for some time within the project, and Ross is now taking the lead in bringing it publicly into the incubator process. Bertrand wrote: 1. Clerezza, Stanbol

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Ian, On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Ian Dickinson i...@epimorphics.com wrote: ...Bertrand wrote: ... 2. A Semantic Commons area is created for common code between these (and other) projects. Details to be discussed, this does probably not warrant a separate Apache project, but might be

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-08 Thread Donald Whytock
Perhaps db.apache.org would be a better example? Should there be a semantic.apache.org? On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: Hi Ian, On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Ian Dickinson i...@epimorphics.com wrote: ...Bertrand wrote: ... 2. A Semantic

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-08 Thread Ian Dickinson
Hi Donald, On 08/11/10 17:01, Donald Whytock wrote: Perhaps db.apache.org would be a better example? Should there be a semantic.apache.org? I looked around in db.apache.org and I couldn't see anything that said what the goals of that project are, separate from the goals of the individual

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-08 Thread Ross Gardler
For me this proposal means we should be aware of possibilities. There is no intention of forcing collaboration on incubating projects. Each project should continue to work on it's own graduation. However there will probably be code that fan be shared. The sharif of appropriate code can only

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-08 Thread Benson Margulies
I sense an iPhone at work here. Would that be Omar Sharif? On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote: For me this proposal means we should be aware of possibilities. There is no intention of forcing collaboration on incubating projects. Each project should

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-08 Thread Jeremy Carroll
To make the commons discussion more concrete I would suggest the following items for the commons: - an IRI library - some code to do with vocabularies. - connecting to a URL and doing semweb aware content negotiation (this is typically done badly) (Actually the IRI code should probably be

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-08 Thread Jeremy Carroll
On 11/8/2010 7:14 AM, Olivier Grisel wrote: There is a depedency relationship: - Stanbol is a of application level HTTP services and set of OSGi components that use: - Clerezza as an OSGi service provider which in turn is using: - Jena as a lib for parsing and serializing RDF models and as a

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-08 Thread Ross Gardler
Indeed this iPhone is a pain in so many ways. Even worse I seem to have become blind to so many of it's useful corrections. I suppose sharing of appropriate code makes more sense than sharif, but I wouldn't mind having Omar around if that can be pulled off. Sent from my mobile device. On 8

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps db.apache.org would be a better example?  Should there be a semantic.apache.org?... That's a possibility, but I would keep such a website for information that's common to ASF semantic projects, as opposed to making

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-08 Thread Andy Seaborne
On 08/11/10 18:32, Jeremy Carroll wrote: To make the commons discussion more concrete I would suggest the following items for the commons: - an IRI library - some code to do with vocabularies. - connecting to a URL and doing semweb aware content negotiation (this is typically done badly)

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-08 Thread Andy Seaborne
On 08/11/10 17:30, Ian Dickinson wrote: Hi Donald, On 08/11/10 17:01, Donald Whytock wrote: Perhaps db.apache.org would be a better example? Should there be a semantic.apache.org? I looked around in db.apache.org and I couldn't see anything that said what the goals of that project are,