RE: Insanity (of the release process)

2009-11-13 Thread Noel J. Bergman
1) PPMC must vote for the release according to their rules (which should at least match the 3 +1 / majority rule requirements) 2) at least one PMC member must vote +1 (usually the mentor) Well.. let's call this the expedited form of release. It leaves the PPMC a bit more self-sufficient.

Re: Insanity (of the release process)

2009-11-10 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Leo Simons wrote: Here's what I understand: 1) Apache rule: all apache releases must be made by PMCs 2) Apache rule: a release needs at least 3 binding +1s and more +1s than -1s 3) from #1 and #2 it follows that all incubator releases must be made by the incubator PMC If you see a way

Re: Insanity (of the release process)

2009-11-10 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 04:07, William A. Rowe, Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: Leo Simons wrote: Here's what I understand: 1) Apache rule: all apache releases must be made by PMCs 2) Apache rule: a release needs at least 3 binding +1s and more +1s than -1s 3) from #1 and #2 it follows that

Re: Insanity (of the release process)

2009-11-10 Thread Leo Simons
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 04:07, William A. Rowe, Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: Leo Simons wrote: Here's what I understand: 1) Apache rule: all apache releases must be made by PMCs 2) Apache rule: a release needs at least

Re: Insanity (of the release process)

2009-11-10 Thread Shanti Subramanyam
I like Leo's proposal. With PMC members mentoring multiple projects, it is really a burden to try and get 3 votes for a release. Shanti Leo Simons wrote: On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 04:07, William A. Rowe, Jr.

Re: Insanity (of the release process)

2009-11-10 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:22, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: ... The IPMC is in charge of its operation. It can redefine the rules of releases as it pleases. The three +1 rule was developed to show that the PMC is in

Re: Insanity (of the release process)

2009-11-10 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
Greg Stein wrote: The IPMC is in charge of its operation. It can redefine the rules of releases as it pleases. The three +1 rule was developed to show that the PMC is in charge of the release, and is therefore legally liable for it. The IPMC can do whatever it likes around releases, as long

Re: Insanity (of the release process)

2009-11-10 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 13:11, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: Greg Stein wrote: The IPMC is in charge of its operation. It can redefine the rules of releases as it pleases. The three +1 rule was developed to show that the PMC is in charge of the release, and is therefore

Re: Insanity (of the release process)

2009-11-10 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
(i'm really short of time ATM so apologies in advance if i'm very slow to respond) On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 13:11, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: Greg Stein wrote: The IPMC is in charge of its operation. It

Re: Insanity (of the release process)

2009-11-09 Thread Leo Simons
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Justin Erenkrantz jus...@erenkrantz.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote: Also, to be clear, as an IPMC member I spend quite a bit of time with projects where I am not a mentor, casting (binding) votes on things like

Re: Insanity (of the release process)

2009-11-09 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:16, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote: ... Not merit, just binding vote. I agree that it sucks, but it is not something where the incubator has gone awry, it has _always_ been messed up like this. Here's what I understand: 1) Apache rule: all apache releases must

Re: Insanity (of the release process)

2009-11-09 Thread Leo Simons
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:16, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote: ... Not merit, just binding vote. I agree that it sucks, but it is not something where the incubator has gone awry, it has _always_ been messed up like this.