Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 5:05 PM, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: >... > scenario. I am sure other Apache projects have similar arrangements and > this will not be new for Apache in any way. > Yeup. The most obvious example being repo.maven.apache.org pointing to

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 11:58 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > Having a third party run a service under an Apache brand requires working > with VP Brand. Indeed, this is something we're going to need to do. I.e., there will be existing NetBeans services that Apache will not be hosting. The clearest

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

On Sep 24, 2016 23:08, "Geertjan Wielenga" wrote: > > Yes, excellent work and many thanks for the time taken on this, Daniel. For > anyone reading this -- do note that these are preliminary findings based on > the current infrastructure of NetBeans, which is

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

I never said comparative use. --- Twitter: @rgardler From: Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacre...@apache.org> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 1:47:38 PM To: Incubator General Subject: Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Inc

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

On Sep 25, 2016 01:18, "Justin Mclean" wrote: > > Hi, > > > E.g., no forums in Apache, for example. > > A mailing list can be mirrored to a nibble forum if it helps [1] I know of several projects who do that. The asf has a service - lists.apache.org -which does exactly

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

Le 25 sept. 2016 18:50, "Geertjan Wielenga" < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> a écrit : >... In all fairness, it's simply impossible to prove the comparative usage of > one development tool over another. > > I'm also concerned that this is a discussion point at all in this context So am I.

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > What I'm saying is that to make a case for extra budget there needs to be > solid justification that a move to ASF will help the community grow. This is the first I've heard of this. My one data point is

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

Hi Daniel, On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > ...ballpark costs, bandwidth, machines needed and so forth, and the cliff > notes are as follows... Thanks very much for this - it is useful and I think we should do that for any "big" podling that comes

RE: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

of user numbers not being a good indicator is remains. > -Original Message- > From: Ross Gardler > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 8:48 AM > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Subject: RE: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache > NetBeans Incubator P

RE: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

r.apache.org > Subject: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans > Incubator Proposal) > > Ross Gardler is the current president of the ASF so in a way he does sign the > check and should be worried about these things. > > Still, the number of Java develop

RE: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

.txt Ross > -Original Message- > From: m...@wadechandler.com [mailto:m...@wadechandler.com] On Behalf Of > Wade Chandler > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 8:04 PM > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache &

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 4:08 AM, Emilian Bold wrote: >... > alone could pull in ads the cost of infrastructure (although ASF might have > a policy against ads, etc, etc) > We never run ads. Ever. Just hang on a day or two, for us to *really* review these costs. Look at

Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

om: Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ted.dunn...@gmail.com');>> > > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:04:34 PM > > To: general@incubator.apache.org > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','general@incubator.apache.org');> > > Sub

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

dler > > > From: Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:04:34 PM > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache > NetBeans Incubator Proposal) >

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

request > to the board). > > Ross > > --- > Twitter: @rgardler > > > From: Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:04:34 PM > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Preliminary NetBeans co

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

Hi, > E.g., no forums in Apache, for example. A mailing list can be mirrored to a nibble forum if it helps [1] I know of several projects who do that. Thanks, Justin 1. http://n4.nabble.com/archive-your-mailing-list.html -

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

Yes, excellent work and many thanks for the time taken on this, Daniel. For anyone reading this -- do note that these are preliminary findings based on the current infrastructure of NetBeans, which is going to be very different under Apache, e.g., plugins.netbeans.org looks like it will be hosted

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal) Should this request come from IPMC? Seems like it should be at least a coop request between infra (who get the budget and the operational onus) and incubator (who cause the problem). Certainly the budge

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

Should this request come from IPMC? Seems like it should be at least a coop request between infra (who get the budget and the operational onus) and incubator (who cause the problem). Certainly the budget shouldn't come to the IPMC if approved. I will work with the board to determine the best

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

Daniel this is great work. Thank you for outlining this. Wow! Chris On 9/24/16, 3:17 AM, "Daniel Gruno" wrote: Hi folks, I've been going over the requirements for NetBeans infrastructure, it's ballpark costs, bandwidth, machines needed and so forth, and

Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

Hi folks, I've been going over the requirements for NetBeans infrastructure, it's ballpark costs, bandwidth, machines needed and so forth, and the cliff notes are as follows: - 40-50TB/month in traffic required (mostly downloads+plugins) - 8-13 machines/VMS are required - Ballpark hardware costs