Re: Apache Metrics, Not Apache Humans

On 11/18/2015 06:28 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > PS Alas, "scores" are chalked against the manager of communities who > fails to satisfy the beany needs of misguided marketing. (Beany > needs=bean counter needs.) We should have a support group. -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen

Re: Apache Metrics, Not Apache Humans

On 11/17/2015 08:13 PM, Marko Rodriguez wrote: > Hi, > > I suppose the distilled intention of the proposal is to identify the > answer(s) to the following question: > > What makes a "good" open source project? > > As I read on general@ and from our project's mentors, "good" is grounded

Re: Apache Metrics, Not Apache Humans

On 17 November 2015 at 16:20, Ross Gardler wrote: > Summary of my objection: community building is an art not a science, there is > no "score" that can be placed upon a community. True. Louis. PS Alas, "scores" are chalked against the manager of communities who

Re: Apache Metrics, Not Apache Humans

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz < bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote: > On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Marko Rodriguez > wrote: > > ...The Apache Way should be about metrics.. > >...Get the human out of the loop! > > No. > > The ASF is built on the

Re: Apache Metrics, Not Apache Humans

Hi, I suppose the distilled intention of the proposal is to identify the answer(s) to the following question: What makes a "good" open source project? As I read on general@ and from our project's mentors, "good" is grounded in personal experience (i.e. anecdotes). Why not use the data

RE: Apache Metrics, Not Apache Humans

the right decision for that community. Ross Sent from my Windows Phone From: Marko Rodriguez<mailto:okramma...@gmail.com> Sent: ‎11/‎17/‎2015 5:14 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org> Subject: Re: Apache Metrics, Not

RE: Apache Metrics, Not Apache Humans

Very strong -1 I'm pretty sure the details of my objections will already be covered in the thread (not read it yet, just need to express my very clear objection to this proposal, I'll follow up else-thread if there is anything I need to add beyond my summary below). Summary of my objection:

Re: Apache Metrics, Not Apache Humans

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Marko Rodriguez wrote: >> ...The Apache Way should be about metrics.. >>...Get the human out of the loop! > > No. > > The ASF is built on the collective

Re: Apache Metrics, Not Apache Humans

It is not the metrics that vote. Humans do. Best regards, Pierre Smits *OFBiz Extensions Marketplace* http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz >

Re: Apache Metrics, Not Apache Humans

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Steve Loughran wrote: > ...The standard way to test this is run a test workload through the system and > verify the results are as expected. For an ASF project, that'd probably be > submitting a patch and seeing what happened Creating

Re: Apache Metrics, Not Apache Humans

> On 16 Nov 2015, at 00:28, toki wrote: > >> >> not about philosophy as different paths lead to the same mountain top > > Somebody failed Buddhist Logic 101. (Not all paths lead to the same > mountain top, even if they appear to start at the base of the same >

Re: Apache Metrics, Not Apache Humans

On 11/15/2015 01:20 PM, Marko Rodriguez wrote: > The Apache Way should be about metrics, not about philosophy as different > paths lead to the same mountain top <--- See! Is that random Buddhist saying > that everyone just "believes" even true? :) Get the human out of the loop! I, for one,

Re: Apache Metrics, Not Apache Humans

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015, at 11:58 PM, Sergio Fernández wrote: > Marko, the metrics approach has been discussed in the past, for instance > http://markmail.org/message/ubx3utli3bnltv75 So far my feeling is that > the ASF prefer to deliver of people to build an opinion of projects rather > than based

Re: Apache Metrics, Not Apache Humans

On 15/11/2015 18:20, Marko Rodriguez wrote: > 1. There is no need to have philosophical arguments (not grounded in > measurables) about what rules a project should follow (bounded by law). "Healthy" is intrinsically subjective, and as such, unmeasurable, leading to even more debates as

Re: Apache Metrics, Not Apache Humans

> Because of Apache Infrastructure's centralized server model (email lists, version control, distributions, homepages, etc.), it has the ability to gather metrics such as, for example, the distribution of pushes to the repository, the branch factor of the mailing list, the centrality of the

Re: Apache Metrics, Not Apache Humans

momentary issue or concern -- though a more general concern about how Apache should evolve. I personally think that the complex human emotions is important evolutionary mechanism. The machine or math can't. On Monday, 16 November 2015, Marko Rodriguez wrote: > Hi, > > I

Re: Apache Metrics, Not Apache Humans

Marko, the metrics approach has been discussed in the past, for instance http://markmail.org/message/ubx3utli3bnltv75 So far my feeling is that the ASF prefer to deliver of people to build an opinion of projects rather than based them on pure statistical metrics. But I'd be happy to see something

Re: Apache Metrics, Not Apache Humans

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Marko Rodriguez wrote: > ...The Apache Way should be about metrics.. >...Get the human out of the loop! No. The ASF is built on the collective wisdom of its members and community. Having metrics-based projects might be an interesting