RE: Process over Ego [Was: Re: Incubator report sign-off

2014-12-31 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ncubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Process over Ego [Was: Re: Incubator report sign-off On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote: > So, promote those 20 people to ComDev PMC, promote them to ASF > members, promote them however, my guess is that they *care* about

Re: Process over Ego [Was: Re: Incubator report sign-off

2014-12-30 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote: > So, promote those 20 people to ComDev PMC, promote them to ASF > members, promote them however, my guess is that they *care* about > the foundation; we want these people helping new projects, and they > will continue to help those

Re: Process over Ego [Was: Re: Incubator report sign-off

2014-12-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote: > ...what’s also not useful is acting like a proposal that’s existed for > years is something new - it’s been discussed - a simple Google search > yielded hundreds of emails no the topic Besides taking a bit of time to read, hun

Re: Process over Ego [Was: Re: Incubator report sign-off

2014-12-30 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
Hi Bertrand, -Original Message- From: Bertrand Delacretaz Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 at 9:30 AM To: Incubator General Subject: Re: Process over Ego [Was: Re: Incubator report sign-off >Hi Chris, > >On Tue, Dec

Re: Process over Ego [Was: Re: Incubator report sign-off

2014-12-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Chris, On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote: > ...http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorDeconstructionProposal ... Thanks for this, this looks like a good definition of "the experiment". > ...1. the documentation on *what* to do for incoming projects is > alrea

Re: Process over Ego [Was: Re: Incubator report sign-off

2014-12-30 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
14 at 1:09 AM To: Incubator General Subject: Re: Process over Ego [Was: Re: Incubator report sign-off >On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:54 AM, Stian Soiland-Reyes >wrote: >> ...It would be sad if this Incubator Community disappears in the >>proposed >> move of incubating proje

Re: Process over Ego [Was: Re: Incubator report sign-off

2014-12-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:54 AM, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote: > ...It would be sad if this Incubator Community disappears in the proposed > move of incubating project to be reporting directly to the ASF Board... With my board member hat on, you can count on a strong -1 from me on that suggestion.

Re: Process over Ego [Was: Re: Incubator report sign-off

2014-12-29 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > >> On 29 Dec 2014, at 18:54, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote: >> >> But a move of reporting-to authority does not have to change any of >> that, does it? > > Depends on how much of an anarchist one is :-) and what is meant by > authority, to

Re: Process over Ego [Was: Re: Incubator report sign-off

2014-12-29 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
> On 29 Dec 2014, at 18:54, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote: > > But a move of reporting-to authority does not have to change any of > that, does it? Depends on how much of an anarchist one is :-) and what is meant by authority, too, I suppose. But, to answer the question, I would say, no: it does

Re: Process over Ego [Was: Re: Incubator report sign-off

2014-12-29 Thread Stian Soiland-Reyes
Yes, the Apache bureaucracy takes time to learn to love :) - I guess that is part of incubating.. What is great is that there is an open discussion about those processes - here in a forum that includes all the incubators - so that we see why processes are the way they are, and that they are indeed