Re: The state of Sirona

Sounds totally right to me. On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 5:28 AM, John D. Ament wrote: > I let this sit for a couple of days to see if anything changed either on > this thread or within Sirona. While I can see there being some concerns > with those who are semi-active

Re: The state of Sirona

I let this sit for a couple of days to see if anything changed either on this thread or within Sirona. While I can see there being some concerns with those who are semi-active within Sirona, there's been no concrete path forward. So I want to propose the following, give Sirona time to identify a

Re: The state of Sirona

Retaining trademarks isn't required, especially if they aren't attached to strong project. On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > The "wrong" part (from a project's PoV) is that ASF retains trademarks... > > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 10:56 AM, P. Taylor

Re: The state of Sirona

The "wrong" part (from a project's PoV) is that ASF retains trademarks... On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 10:56 AM, P. Taylor Goetz wrote: > +1 for retirement. > > There's absolutely nothing wrong with a podling returning to the place > from whence it came. I'm encouraged that that

Re: The state of Sirona

+1 for retirement. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a podling returning to the place from whence it came. I'm encouraged that that sentiment seems to be proliferating among the IPMC. -Taylor > On Apr 16, 2017, at 11:33 AM, Ted Dunning wrote: > > Sounds like

Re: The state of Sirona

Sounds like consensus is coming together, then. Sound right? On Apr 16, 2017 06:03, "larry mccay" wrote: > H - interesting points about incubator vs github and overhead. > I do think my statement was unclear though. > > I was saying exactly the same thing about

Re: The state of Sirona

H - interesting points about incubator vs github and overhead. I do think my statement was unclear though. I was saying exactly the same thing about struggling podlings. Much better to find out in the incubator than as a TLP that the apache way isn't really going to work for them at the

Re: The state of Sirona

On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 3:04 PM larry mccay wrote: > Well said. > It is healthy to not have a podling graduate and subsequently struggle as a > TLP. > This is actually a success of sorts. > > At least until a majority of podlings have trouble. :) > > I may be reading Ted's

Re: The state of Sirona

Le 16 avr. 2017 06:58, "Niclas Hedhman" a écrit : One could also ask the question; Considering how hyped "devops" culture is right now, the central role that monitoring and visualization of that is for devops, How come this project can't attract hordes of people? Is there

Re: The state of Sirona

One could also ask the question; Considering how hyped "devops" culture is right now, the central role that monitoring and visualization of that is for devops, How come this project can't attract hordes of people? Is there something inherent in Apache Incubator that interested parties have some

Re: The state of Sirona

Well said. It is healthy to not have a podling graduate and subsequently struggle as a TLP. This is actually a success of sorts. At least until a majority of podlings have trouble. :) On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > I think that we need to get over

Re: The state of Sirona

Nicely put. Sid On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Ted Dunning wrote: > I think that we need to get over thinking of this state of affairs is a > "failure". > > It is just one of the many different possible outcomes for incubation. To > my mind, having multiple possible

Re: The state of Sirona

I think that we need to get over thinking of this state of affairs is a "failure". It is just one of the many different possible outcomes for incubation. To my mind, having multiple possible outcomes is a *feature*, not a bug. Obviously, we should not admit podlings that we aren't committed to

Re: The state of Sirona

It is very sad to see a project failing at growing a community. Looking at the various public sources, I see: - just 2 pull request since its start in incubation - no postings on the user ml since December 2015 - only 3 committing contributors since start in incubation - No

Re: The state of Sirona

Hi John I think you did the right thing by bringing the point on the table. AFAIR I already stated some months ago that, regarding the activity and regarding the community around, we should really think about retirement of Sirona. Some can argue about the fact that Sirona is a "stable" project

The state of Sirona

All, I hate bringing up these topics. But I think we as the IPMC we have to take a close look at how Sirona is running and figure out what to do next. - The podling has not reported in several months (this is their 3rd attempt at monthly). - Every time the thought of retirement comes up, a