Re: Ivy podling alpha release (was: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha)

2007-04-15 Thread Xavier Hanin
On 4/14/07, Bertrand Delacretaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/14/07, Xavier Hanin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...in the Ivy podling we are currently preparing a release, which I hope we'll be soon able to submit to the IPMC vote. We've called this release 2.0.0-alpha-1-incubating, since for us

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-14 Thread Xavier Hanin
On 4/12/07, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A release can be called wicket-incubating-DO_NOT_USE_THIS_CODE-this- is-a-legal-reasons-only-release-1.3.0-alpha.zip and we can take care to not publicize that we release things, but if it is a release, it still needs to be distributed to the

Ivy podling alpha release (was: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha)

2007-04-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 4/14/07, Xavier Hanin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...in the Ivy podling we are currently preparing a release, which I hope we'll be soon able to submit to the IPMC vote. We've called this release 2.0.0-alpha-1-incubating, since for us too it's primarily a release made to validate our release

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-13 Thread Alex Karasulu
On 4/12/07, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP ... I'm not convinced we actually say (or have always consistently said) REQUIRED to build a release. IIRC Apache Directory might have graduated without building a release. Sure it did. Version 0.8 of ApacheDS was released through the

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 4/12/07, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...There's just this one little tidbit - if the IPMC votes to *release* something, that something should then actually be released. Release has a specific meaning and we (have to) do distribution at no charge to the general public of them. I guess

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-13 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Leo, Please take my comments as trying to really understand your concerns. On Apr 12, 2007, at 2:39 PM, Leo Simons wrote: There's just this one little tidbit - if the IPMC votes to *release* something, that something should then actually be released. Release has a specific meaning and

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-13 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Craig L Russell wrote: If the podling discovers something else that's wrong, or for some other reason decides not to release, are you suggesting that somehow the IPMC is going to go and release it anyway? To clarify - the RM, whomever created the tarball, always has the last word until they

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-12 Thread Leo Simons
On Apr 4, 2007, at 4:09 PM, Martijn Dashorst wrote: On 4/4/07, Bertrand Delacretaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there have been changes since the release was cut, a new release must IMHO be created, so that people can vote (on the wicket lists first, and then come back here) on the correct one.

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-06 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 4/4/07, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 4, 2007, at 1:54 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote: snip IMHO we need to alter the process so that we have an explicit audit when the community feels (by vote) that it has a build process in place. the code doesn't need to be ready

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-06 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Friday 06 April 2007 15:55, robert burrell donkin wrote: most critical issues i encounter are issues with source. the source can be checked at any time. potential issues with source should be addressed as soon as possible. (and yes, i know henri arrived here long before me.) the best

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-06 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 4/6/07, Niclas Hedhman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 06 April 2007 15:55, robert burrell donkin wrote: most critical issues i encounter are issues with source. the source can be checked at any time. potential issues with source should be addressed as soon as possible. (and yes, i know

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-05 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Niclas, On Apr 4, 2007, at 8:52 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Thursday 05 April 2007 05:08, Craig L Russell wrote: I have a hard time understanding how a podling can consider itself ready for graduation without having anything worth sharing, and don't understand what the point is of having

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-05 Thread Niclas Hedhman
[Should be off-line, but I think we programmer's need to be pointed into some cultural enlightenment every now and then to broaden our horizons.] On Friday 06 April 2007 11:44, Craig L Russell wrote: But please send a link to the meaning of kreti pleti! I love   learning new idioms and it's

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Martijn Dashorst wrote: Also, the whole idea of the Incubator is to withhold releases from the general public. Just to clarify - I don't think 'withhold' is a good description. Release - but with no specific expectation of persistence at the ASF is probably a better description. E.g. here's

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-04 Thread Thilo Goetz
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Martijn Dashorst wrote: Also, the whole idea of the Incubator is to withhold releases from the general public. Just to clarify - I don't think 'withhold' is a good description. Release - but with no specific expectation of persistence at the ASF is probably a

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-04 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 4/4/07, Thilo Goetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Martijn Dashorst wrote: Also, the whole idea of the Incubator is to withhold releases from the general public. Just to clarify - I don't think 'withhold' is a good description. Release - but with no specific

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-04 Thread Craig L Russell
On Apr 4, 2007, at 1:54 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 4/4/07, Thilo Goetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Martijn Dashorst wrote: Also, the whole idea of the Incubator is to withhold releases from the general public. No, the idea of the incubator is to make

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-04 Thread Johan Compagner
IMHO the current process is fine but needs to be documented better. Podlings should be encouraged to release stuff that they think is usable outside their small world of developers who check out from svn and build from source. The incubator is set up to review and approve releases without

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-04 Thread Eelco Hillenius
I have a hard time understanding how a podling can consider itself ready for graduation without having anything worth sharing, and don't understand what the point is of having an audit of anything short of a build artifact. Yes, that would be strange :) However, in the case of Wicket, we are

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-04 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thursday 05 April 2007 05:08, Craig L Russell wrote: I have a hard time understanding how a podling can consider itself   ready for graduation without having anything worth sharing, and don't   understand what the point is of having an audit of anything short of   a build artifact.