Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-03-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:33 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote: ...either this pTLP idea is independent of the IPMC. Or it is not I think it is actually in between ;-) While the pTLP itself, once created by the board, is independent of the Incubator PMC, the

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-03-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:24 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: ...the steps that lead to the board voting on the pTLP creation resolution are IMO best handled by the Incubator PMC, as they are fairly

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-03-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:44 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org ...The Incubator PMC might not have a formal say in pTLP creation, but there's significant work that happens before that, collaboratively and in public.

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-03-02 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:24 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:33 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote: ...either this pTLP idea is independent of the IPMC. Or it is not I think it is actually in between ;-) While

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-03-02 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:44 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:24 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: ...the steps that lead to the board voting on the pTLP

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-03-02 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:11 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:44 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org ...The Incubator PMC might not have a formal say in pTLP

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-03-02 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 2:11 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:44 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org ...The Incubator PMC might not have a formal say in pTLP creation, but

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-03-01 Thread Niclas Hedhman
Marvin, I think the IPMC doesn't need to do anything, and instead the dissolution of Incubator's duties are put into the Board Resolution, just as they are with the normal graduation resolution. So, from the Incubator's point of view, there is no effort, podling disappears and the pTLP is

RE: pTLP process amendments

2015-03-01 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
: ‎3/‎1/‎2015 6:38 PM To: general@incubator.apache.orgmailto:general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: pTLP process amendments Marvin, I think the IPMC doesn't need to do anything, and instead the dissolution of Incubator's duties are put into the Board Resolution, just as they are with the normal

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-03-01 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:08 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:35 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 8:27 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: The

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-02-26 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:08 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:35 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 8:27 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: The proposal only refer to new projects entering Apache, would it be worth

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-02-25 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 8:27 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: The proposal only refer to new projects entering Apache, would it be worth while to consider a way for projects that entered Incubator recently and has enough (whatever that is) asf members as committers ? That is a discussion for

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-02-25 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:35 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 8:27 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: The proposal only refer to new projects entering Apache, would it be worth while to consider a way for projects that entered Incubator recently and has

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-02-25 Thread jan i
On Wednesday, February 25, 2015, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote: 3.7 -- That is not default for TLPs, as only PMC members subscribe to private@ 3.8 -- Follow TLP recommendations and guidelines. 3.9 -- Follow TLP recommendations and guidelines. i.e. what is now written in 3.11

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-02-25 Thread Niclas Hedhman
3.7 -- That is not default for TLPs, as only PMC members subscribe to private@ 3.8 -- Follow TLP recommendations and guidelines. 3.9 -- Follow TLP recommendations and guidelines. i.e. what is now written in 3.11 will cover these three points and can be removed. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:18

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-02-25 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
Hi Niclas! First of all: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9195 Hopefully INFRA will respond soon so we can all collaborate on the content. At this point I've started the documentation to the level of details currently on Incubator pages. On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:15 PM, Niclas Hedhman

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-02-24 Thread Greg Stein
This is fantastic. Thanks you, Niclas! On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote: Roman, See comments below to https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Provisional+TLP 2.1 -- I suggest to change the word probationary to provisional. I also

pTLP process amendments

2015-02-23 Thread Niclas Hedhman
Roman, See comments below to https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Provisional+TLP 2.1 -- I suggest to change the word probationary to provisional. I also suggest that a text is added such as; 'It is required that the provisional concept is explained in detail to the users, for