RE: proposal: modify incubation application process to require a reference to the code itself

2004-07-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Brian Behlendorf wrote: > If a company isn't willing to put the code base out themselves under > their own ownership, but would rather it be (C) ASF, that leads me to > wonder about what liability the company is attempting to avoid by doing > so. It may be paranoia, but seeing a company willing to

Re: proposal: modify incubation application process to require a reference to the code itself

2004-07-12 Thread Craig McClanahan
Noel J. Bergman wrote: java.apache.org history shows a long history of failures in incubating projects without code. jakarta doesn't, exactly because we established that rule. It would be a *major* step back if we lifted that requirement. We wouldn't be lifting it because we haven't ha

Re: proposal: modify incubation application process to require a reference to the code itself

2004-07-12 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Brian Behlendorf wrote: On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Brian Behlendorf wrote: On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: why? if the idea excites people but the code sucks, are we going to turn it down? In that case, we might decide to accept a new project into the incuba

Re: proposal: modify incubation application process to require a reference to the code itself

2004-07-12 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
On Jul 12, 2004, at 5:39 PM, Brian Behlendorf wrote: On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Brian Behlendorf wrote: On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: why? if the idea excites people but the code sucks, are we going to turn it down? In that case, we might decide to accept a

RE: proposal: modify incubation application process to require a reference to the code itself

2004-07-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> java.apache.org history shows a long history of failures in incubating > projects without code. jakarta doesn't, exactly because we established > that rule. > It would be a *major* step back if we lifted that requirement. We wouldn't be lifting it because we haven't had that requirement. In th

Re: proposal: modify incubation application process to require a reference to the code itself

2004-07-12 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Brian Behlendorf wrote: On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: why? if the idea excites people but the code sucks, are we going to turn it down? In that case, we might decide to accept a new project into the incubator for the same purpose,

Re: proposal: modify incubation application process to require a reference to the code itself

2004-07-12 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Noel J. Bergman wrote: As I see it, community is our concern. Either we have a strong community coming in, or we believe that we have the ability to form one around some catalyst. If we are accepting a contribution based upon its community, the quality of its code is probably not a pre-determining

Re: proposal: modify incubation application process to require a reference to the code itself

2004-07-12 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Brian Behlendorf wrote: On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Brian Behlendorf wrote: It seems to me that any honest assessment of the merit of accepting a proposal should include a look at the code itself, if only to get a gut-check on how maintainable and evolveable that codebase m

RE: proposal: modify incubation application process to require a reference to the code itself

2004-07-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
As I see it, community is our concern. Either we have a strong community coming in, or we believe that we have the ability to form one around some catalyst. If we are accepting a contribution based upon its community, the quality of its code is probably not a pre-determining criteria, and we woul

Re: proposal: modify incubation application process to require a reference to the code itself

2004-07-12 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Brian Behlendorf wrote: It seems to me that any honest assessment of the merit of accepting a proposal should include a look at the code itself, if only to get a gut-check on how maintainable and evolveable that codebase might be going forward. why

Re: proposal: modify incubation application process to require a reference to the code itself

2004-07-12 Thread Leo Simons
Brian Behlendorf wrote: In walking through the incubation documents (helping a couple of groups who have asked me about how to do this) it struck me that there was no requirement that the proposal provide a link to download and evaluate the code around which a project is being proposed - in fact

Re: proposal: modify incubation application process to require a reference to the code itself

2004-07-12 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Brian Behlendorf wrote: It seems to me that any honest assessment of the merit of accepting a proposal should include a look at the code itself, if only to get a gut-check on how maintainable and evolveable that codebase might be goin

Re: proposal: modify incubation application process to require a reference to the code itself

2004-07-12 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Brian Behlendorf wrote: > It seems to me that any honest assessment of the merit of > accepting a proposal should include a look at the code itself, if only to > get a gut-check on how maintainable and evolveable that codebase might be > going forward. why? if

Re: proposal: modify incubation application process to require a reference to the code itself

2004-07-12 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: > > Given that there are many places where one can start an open source > project, IMO it makes perfect sense for Apache to have a higher > standard. If the company's strategy question is whether to open source > or not, then if the dec

Re: proposal: modify incubation application process to require a reference to the code itself

2004-07-11 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
"Andreas Hartmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Another thought: > > What if a company considers to introduce an open source strategy, > but the decision depends on whether the code is accepted as an > Apache project or not? I think they will avoid showing the code > before the project is accepte

RE: proposal: modify incubation application process to require a reference to the code itself

2004-07-09 Thread Cliff Schmidt
Brian Behlendorf wrote on Thursday, July 08, 2004 6:35 PM: > In walking through the incubation documents (helping a couple of > groups who have asked me about how to do this) it struck me that > there was no requirement that the proposal provide a link to download > and evaluate the code around wh

Re: proposal: modify incubation application process to require a reference to the code itself

2004-07-09 Thread Andreas Hartmann
Andreas Hartmann wrote: Brian Behlendorf wrote: In walking through the incubation documents (helping a couple of groups who have asked me about how to do this) it struck me that there was no requirement that the proposal provide a link to download and evaluate the code around which a project is

Re: proposal: modify incubation application process to require a reference to the code itself

2004-07-09 Thread Andreas Hartmann
Brian Behlendorf wrote: In walking through the incubation documents (helping a couple of groups who have asked me about how to do this) it struck me that there was no requirement that the proposal provide a link to download and evaluate the code around which a project is being proposed - in fact

proposal: modify incubation application process to require a reference to the code itself

2004-07-08 Thread Brian Behlendorf
In walking through the incubation documents (helping a couple of groups who have asked me about how to do this) it struck me that there was no requirement that the proposal provide a link to download and evaluate the code around which a project is being proposed - in fact it appears the code it