Hi -
> On Apr 3, 2024, at 4:33 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
>
> Question: where did the incubation process fail in this case? How can we
> prevent something like this from happening again?
Rather than consider what went wrong in this case and to avoid an how is the
Incubator broken this time
Hi,
> Question: where did the incubation process fail in this case? How can we
> prevent something like this from happening again?
The Incubator pointed out the issue during a graduation discussion at the end
of 2021 (which put off graduation). The people involved said they would not use
the
Related discussions -
https://lists.apache.org/thread/oc9jft1tyo7cbphcyrtwobf4w5rcbhfw
I'll try to send a more complete reply in days. In short, let's update the
maturity model and provide more case studies.
Best,
tison.
Shane Curcuru 于2024年4月3日周三 19:33写道：
> Question: where did the
Question: where did the incubation process fail in this case? How can
we prevent something like this from happening again?
On 2021/12/20 22:50:13 Eya Badal Abdisho wrote:
Hello Justin,
Thank you for your feedback. Please find more information following:
...snip...> - There are some minor
> It best if the project documents this, so the expectations are clear to
> newcomers and potential committers.
Hello Justin,
As you advised and requested, the Apache AGE community discussed the AGE
committer requirements and finalized the following.
Committer Requirements:
1-Continuous
Hello Craig,
Jasper Blues and Nick Sorrell have subscribed to the private mailing list. John
Gemignani and I also fixed the issues mentioned earlier.
As I mentioned before, Mason Sharp and Raphael Bircher have been inactive and
not replying. We removed Mason Sharp and Raphael Bircher from
I have subscribed with both sorr...@apache.org and n...@cint.io.
On 2022/01/09 20:44:08 sebb wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 at 04:17, Craig Russell wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > It looks like the project whimsy page shows some concerns highlighted below.
> > https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/age
>
I have added my bitnine.net email address.
John
On 2022/01/09 16:58:38 Eya Badal wrote:
> > John needs to add his address and Eya needs to correct the typo.
> I still do not understand how Bitnine email can cause an issue. The primary
> email address that I used to subscribe to @private is
Hi Folks,
I'm subscribed to the public and private mailing lists. I've been a long time
supported of the project and collaborate with BitNine on both AgensGraph and
Apache AGE.
More generally am a graph database expert having run my own company (Liberation
Data), worked with GraphAware, and
On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 at 04:17, Craig Russell wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> It looks like the project whimsy page shows some concerns highlighted below.
> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/age
>
> > On Dec 17, 2021, at 10:28 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
> >
> > Four more concerns:
> >
> > (1) Three of the PPMC
> John needs to add his address and Eya needs to correct the typo.
I still do not understand how Bitnine email can cause an issue. The primary
email address that I used to subscribe to @private is badaleya@gmail and
e...@apacge.org, and I used badaleya@gmail from day one. I added the bitnine
On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 at 20:46, Craig Russell wrote:
>
> Hi Josh,
>
> > On Jan 8, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Josh Innis wrote:
> >
> > Hi Craig,
> >
> > John Gemingnani (john.gemign...@bitnine.net) is mapped to the github
> > address jrgemignani. If John isn't getting credit for his work: we need to
> > fix
Hi Josh,
> On Jan 8, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Josh Innis wrote:
>
> Hi Craig,
>
> John Gemingnani (john.gemign...@bitnine.net) is mapped to the github
> address jrgemignani. If John isn't getting credit for his work: we need to
> fix this immediately.
The problem here is that John is subscribed to
Hi Craig,
John Gemingnani (john.gemign...@bitnine.net) is mapped to the github
address jrgemignani. If John isn't getting credit for his work: we need to
fix this immediately. Same with Eya (Eya is mapped to: eyab
eya.abdi...@bitnine.net). I don't understand how they are not mapped. John
and Eya
Hi,
It looks like the project whimsy page shows some concerns highlighted below.
https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/age
> On Dec 17, 2021, at 10:28 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
> Four more concerns:
>
> (1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private mailing list.
>
Jasper
> >> (1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private mailing
> >> list.
> > All the PPMC members should now be subscribed to the private mailing list.
> This is still not the case.
I believe the only members that are not subscribed are removed from the
resolution due to their
Hi Justin,
> >> (4) Are all of the License Headers taken care of? I’m seeing a PR that
> >> indicates they are not. [1]
>
> This is still an issue as far as I can see.
The PR that fixes the licenses for the Python and Go drivers has been reviewed
and merged into master. The original license
H,
>>> (3) No one has been added to the PPMC.
>> We have just added two new PPMC members
>
> However they were not added in the correct way.
My apologies, I made a mistake, they were added in the correct way.
Kind Regards,
Justin
Hi,
>> (1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private mailing list.
> All the PPMC members should now be subscribed to the private mailing list.
This is still not the case.
>> (3) No one has been added to the PPMC.
> We have just added two new PPMC members
However they were
Thanks everyone for your valuable input.
Unless there's anything else that needs to be discussed, I expect we can close
this [DISCUSS] thread and start the [VOTE] to graduate Apache AGE to a Top
Level Project.
Best regards,
Eya
On 2021/12/13 21:04:30 Eya Badal wrote:
> Dear Everyone,
>
>
>
> Then as per the Infra comment on that JIRA you should discuss it onlist and
> make sure you have consensus that the community wants that.
It has been discussed in the dev mailing list and with guidance from our
mentor, Felix Cheung, it is being looked at by Apache infra at Jira.
The AGE
> (1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private mailing list.
All the PPMC members should now be subscribed to the private mailing list.
> (3) No one has been added to the PPMC.
We have just added two new PPMC members (Nick Sorrell from Cintio and Pieterjan
De Potter from
Thank you Juan for your valuable feedback.
> 1. PPMC voting, a NOTICE to board is needed.
The NOTICE has been sent.
> 2. Apache Dockerhub, a conclusion or voting result from the community is the
> prerequisite to ask for helps from Apache infra next.
The DISCUSSION has been open since
A slight correction in line.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 6:32 AM, Juan Pan wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
> After going through all the updates of this thread, here are some inputs from
> me,
>
>
> 1. PPMC voting, a NOTICE to board is needed.
While incubating the NOTICE is to the
Hello Craig,
Thanks for your feedback, which made us feel welcomed, encouraged, and more
willing to interact in different communities. ;-)
Regards,
Trista
--
Juan Pan(Trista), Twitter: @tristaZero
On 12/30/2021
Hi Trista,
I appreciate the time and energy you personally put into your role here.
Warm regards,
Craig
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 6:31 AM, Juan Pan wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
> After going through all the updates of this thread, here are some inputs from
> me,
>
>
> 1. PPMC voting, a NOTICE to
Hello,
After going through all the updates of this thread, here are some inputs from
me,
1. PPMC voting, a NOTICE to board is needed.
2. Apache Dockerhub, a conclusion or voting result from the community is the
prerequisite to ask for helps from Apache infra next.
3. It's necessary to keep
HI,
> The community would like to use Apache Dockerhub.
Then as per the Infra comment on that JIRA you should discuss it onlist and
make sure you have consensus that the community wants that.
Kind Regards,
Justin
-
To
Hi Justin,
The community would like to use Apache Dockerhub.
In June, I opened a Jira ticket to have AGE available at the Apache Dockerhub
and the ticket was closed by Apache Infra without a resolution.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-22024
https://hub.docker.com/u/apache
Best
On 2021/12/26 22:42:46 Justin Mclean wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > - A new PPMC member is not being added in the correct way → Are there any
> > additional steps that need to be taken to complete this process?
>
> A NOTICE needs to be sent before adding any new PPMC/PMC member to the
> roster. [1]
>
>
Hi Andrew,
> On Dec 27, 2021, at 9:09 PM, Andrew Ko wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
> Please guide if the ICLA form needs to be resubmitted to the secretary to
> update the existing (@agedb.io) email address.
New ICLAs are not often needed, even when their email addresses change.
Users with Apache
Hello,
> Agedb is a US startup (incorporated in California May this year) and is
> affiliated with Bitnine Global, who contributed the original AGE source
> codes to the Apache Software Foundation.
> This may be an issue trademark and naming wise as it is similar to the
Apache project name.
Hi,
> - A new PPMC member is not being added in the correct way → Are there any
> additional steps that need to be taken to complete this process?
A NOTICE needs to be sent before adding any new PPMC/PMC member to the roster.
[1]
> The docker image is available at
>
Hi,
> Could you clarify what would be considered too low of a bar for a committer?
There isn’t one. Some projects allow you to be a committer by asking and some
will vote you in after a couple of PRs. However each project can decide where
this is.
> I feel that we need good upper and lower
Hi Justin, Felix, and others,
I keep hearing that the bar for a committer is too high for our project.
Could you clarify what would be considered too low of a bar for a committer?
Or, if there is some document that I am not aware of that explains this, that
would be great too.
I feel that we
Hello Justin,
Thank you for your feedback. Please find more information following:
- Indications that the committer/PPMC bar may be too high and not all forms
of contribution recognized → Comment noted. We will no longer insist that
committers are code contributors.
- A new PPMC member is not
The community should definitely fix/address these.
As for Committer bar, the community should review the contributors to look
for sustained contributors that should be voted in. PPMC should discuss
this.
I couldn’t find anything about @agedb.io - can Andrew explain the
connection? At least, this
Hi,
I’m seeing some issues here:
- Indications that the committer/PPMC bar may be too high and not all forms of
contribution recognised.
- A new PPMC member not being added in the correct way
- Other than that recent addition no other PPMC members added
- May be some concern about employment
Hi,
>> Regarding (3), Dehowe Feng was added to the PPMC on 12/6/2021 [1].
>
> Oh I see, but he is a BitNine employee. Add increases the concern that AGE is
> not a diverse community.
He was also added without sending NOTICE to the IPMC. It seems he was added
based only on code commits, I
Hi,
> Personally I thought code contributions were mandatory to be considered as
> being added to the PPMC team.
I would say not, the responsibilities of being a PPMC member includes a lot of
things other than code and being good at just the code part doesn’t alway make
you a good PPMC
Hi,
> Because of the nature of the project, committers require a broad range of
> expertise in several areas including: Database (Postgres and SQL), Graph
> Technology and Cyper, C language. While many contributors demonstrated
> expertise in some areas, few had expertise in all disciplines. In
AGE Incubating as a Top Level Project
|
> IMO - You are setting the committer bar too high. If the contributor has
some expertise that’s good. Remember you want this project to survive for a
long time. If you set it too high then people will lose interest.
First of all, I didn't know non-c
> IMO - You are setting the committer bar too high. If the contributor has
some expertise that’s good. Remember you want this project to survive for a
long time. If you set it too high then people will lose interest.
First of all, I didn't know non-code contributors can also become a
committer.
> Non-code contributors are also candidates to be committers. They can do the
> many non-code activities.
>
> That is how I was able to join my first PMC over 13 years ago. Answering
> questions.
Personally I thought code contributions were mandatory to be considered as
being added to the
> On Dec 17, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Andrew Ko wrote:
>
> Hello John,
>
> The number 68 includes
>
> -
>
> 28 code contributors who submitted pull requests that were merged.
> -
>
> 40+ who identified bugs, influenced the project with strong and informed
> opinion, answered AGE users’
> On Dec 17, 2021, at 3:11 PM, Josh Innis wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> Regarding (3), Dehowe Feng was added to the PPMC on 12/6/2021 [1].
Oh I see, but he is a BitNine employee. Add increases the concern that AGE is
not a diverse community.
>
> Regarding (4), all the files involved in the
Hi Dave,
Regarding (3), Dehowe Feng was added to the PPMC on 12/6/2021 [1].
Regarding (4), all the files involved in the issue we had in the last release
have the correct headers. The open pull request is not about the original
license issue. Since the previous release, a Python and Go driver
Hello John,
The number 68 includes
-
28 code contributors who submitted pull requests that were merged.
-
40+ who identified bugs, influenced the project with strong and informed
opinion, answered AGE users’ questions, helped with code snippets to
clarify how to use AGE.
Four more concerns:
(1) Three of the PPMC members are not subscribed to the private mailing list.
(2) Four of the Committers including some of the PPMC members have not mapped
their apache id to their GitHub id. How can they contribute?
(3) No one has been added to the PPMC.
(4) Are all of
Hi
Putting aside this subproject for a moment I am concerned with your
contributor vs committer counts. If you’ve had 68 contributors why are the
numbers for new committers and PPMC so low?
John
On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 21:08 Eya Badal wrote:
> Hello Willem,
>
> Thank you very much for your
Hello Willem,
Thank you very much for your feedback. There have been four official Apache
releases for the Apache AGE (incubating) project. AGE Viewer is a sub-project
of Apache AGE. As I know, the AGE viewer sub-project will start the process for
the first Apache release today or tomorrow.
Hi,
I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE viewer,
even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1].
I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just
addressed the License issue during the release of 0.6.0.
The release process documentation[1] should be
No one has had time to review.
I would like to hear from the AGE mentors.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 16, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Eya Badal wrote:
>
> I am closing this [DISCUSS] thread now and will start the VOTE shortly to
> graduate Apache AGE (incubating) as a top level project.
>
> Best
I am closing this [DISCUSS] thread now and will start the VOTE shortly to
graduate Apache AGE (incubating) as a top level project.
Best regards,
Eya
On 2021/12/13 21:04:30 Eya Badal wrote:
> Dear Everyone,
>
>
> Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community with a
>
Dear Everyone,
Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community with a
vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that Apache
AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.
We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.
In addition to
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