RE: Jakarta Overview

2002-03-20 Thread Chris Pheby
I have to disagree! Speaking as a /user/ it is really hard to find projects on Jakarta, and how the various projects relate to each other. I have spent many weeks doing this and still haven't even scraped the iceberg. Which I think is a shame. Some clear exposition would really help. I have

RE: jakarta-tomcat-4.0.3.exe

2002-03-20 Thread Randy Layman
This question will be better answered on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. Randy -Original Message- From: Jian Hu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 4:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: jakarta-tomcat-4.0.3.exe Hi, I am a loyal user of

RE: Jakarta Overview

2002-03-20 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Perhaps you could become a Jakarta developer by altering the provided overview so that it is both useful to users and acceptable to the developers of the projects it covers. I should say a subjective (mature/immature/good/bad) information might be useful, but probably is more the area of a

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-03-20 Thread Pete Chown
Daniel Rall wrote: Also, would you point me to a reference on how memory management is handled? It uses the Boehm collector. For full details see here: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Hans_Boehm/gc/ It is a conservative collector that can also implement garbage collection for C and C++,

Re: Jakarta Overview

2002-03-20 Thread Ted Husted
Jakarta is developer-centric because developers are the ones who volunteer to do the work. They need working products to use with their paying jobs, and find that sharing the development load works better than going it alone. We don't get many marketing volunteers because there is very little

RE: Jakarta Overview

2002-03-20 Thread Waldhoff, Rodney
Well said Andrew. Re. Chris's point, I think we'll be hard pressed to reach consensus on what a project maturity means, let alone how to measure it. If I were building this document (and if I remember correctly, I built this document: http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/components.html, which is

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-03-20 Thread costinm
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: One other question: Is there a valuable performance enhancement to compiling to native code with gcj? Right now - no, I couldn't notice any significant difference while running tomcat. It is as fast as IBM JIT ( and faster than hotspot ).

RE: LICENSE in .jar files

2002-03-20 Thread Shane Curcuru
Sorry for my tangent - it's clear that on legal matters, I should just get the heck outta Dodge and let someone with more patience work on it. 8-{ I've forwarded a link (with threading) to your (Conor's) message to the xml PMC so they should be aware of this licensing issue with JAXP and

RE: LICENSE in .jar files

2002-03-20 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
So could a non-tainted person through black box testing produce their own JAXP clone? -Andy On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 19:55, Conor MacNeill wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Peter Donald wrote: I think what Peter said was that you can read the

RE: LICENSE in .jar files

2002-03-20 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
BTW. Define: release ;-) On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 19:55, Conor MacNeill wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Peter Donald wrote: I think what Peter said was that you can read the spec only if you agree with the licence, and that prevents you

Re: LICENSE in .jar files

2002-03-20 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:03, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: So could a non-tainted person through black box testing produce their own JAXP clone? I don't see how as they need access to Suns IP someway and there is no way to get a license to do that. Ie can't use spec without being tainted and can't

RE: LICENSE in .jar files

2002-03-20 Thread Conor MacNeill
-Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 21 March 2002 1:03 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: RE: LICENSE in .jar files So could a non-tainted person through black box testing produce their own JAXP clone? -Andy I don't know.

RE: LICENSE in .jar files

2002-03-20 Thread Conor MacNeill
-Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 21 March 2002 1:10 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: RE: LICENSE in .jar files BTW. Define: release ;-) I guess it would be up to a court to define release :-) I don't know what it means

RE: LICENSE in .jar files

2002-03-20 Thread dirkx
On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Conor MacNeill wrote: I don't know. IANAL. We really do need a lawyer. Anyway, in my view, you would not be able to legally run such a reverse engineered clone on a Sun You have a lawyer - or rather - the PMC has access to those beast. This is being worked on (even today

Re: Jakarta Overview

2002-03-20 Thread Daniel Rall
Waldhoff, Rodney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Re. Chris's point, I think we'll be hard pressed to reach consensus on what a project maturity means, let alone how to measure it. If I were building this document (and if I remember correctly, I built this document: