Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

2002-10-19 Thread John McNally
-1. Jakarta already has two webapp frameworks and I do not see any reason to add another. It is great that Tapestry uses several jakarta technologies; I would like to see some evidence of the Tapestry community being involved in the jakarta projects of which it makes use. One other warning

re[2]: Concern about the future of Apache

2002-10-19 Thread Rich Persaud
Those evaluating re-orgs should revisit Christopher Alexander's Pattern Language, the inspiration for Gabriel's Patterns of Software and OO design patterns: From http://www.patternlanguage.com/leveltwo/patternsframegreen.htm?/leveltwo/../apl/twopanelnlb.htm : --- The language begins with

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

2002-10-19 Thread Sam Ruby
John McNally wrote: -1. Jakarta already has two webapp frameworks and I do not see any reason to add another. It is a non-goal of Jakarta to have only one webapp framework, or to limit itself to two. - Sam Ruby -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

2002-10-19 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Just my 2c.. If they have a strong community and meet the requirements... Cool. I think I'll go read their mail archives at let you know how much of it I think is being developed by one guy. (I mean if all of those people submitted a trivial patch suddenly the day before this proposal was put

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

2002-10-19 Thread Howard M. Lewis Ship
I think you'll find good news when you read the mailing list. A year ago, I wouldn't have tried to move Tapestry to Jakarta, because the community wasn't strong enough, but now it seems like participation is there, with more people contributing ideas and code. It's also gratifying when users ask

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

2002-10-19 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Sat, 2002-10-19 at 12:06, Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote: I think you'll find good news when you read the mailing list. A year ago, I wouldn't have tried to move Tapestry to Jakarta, because the community wasn't strong enough, but now it seems like participation is there, with more people

Bug in Ant.bat with respect to Windows9x

2002-10-19 Thread DEVONS02
Hi -- I wish to report a bug in your batch file ant.bat with regards to Windows9x. I'm running a Windows98 SE installation here and when I downloaded Ant, I put it in C:\Ant and inserted in my autoexec.bat file in a path statement C:\Ant\Bin and also a SET ANT_HOME=C:\ANT as per your

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

2002-10-19 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
So could someone clarify that for me... We're here to promote community software developmentas long as they don't overlap? sorry I totally misunderstood the apache way. (especially with all the overlapping projects to the contrary) -Andy On Sat, 2002-10-19 at 14:29, John McNally wrote: On

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

2002-10-19 Thread Andrus Adamchik
At 11:29 AM 10/19/2002 -0700, John McNally wrote: If a project is proposed that overlaps a (or a few) current project, I just think the bar needs to be a bit higher for approval. If someone proposed another java regex package, I think many people would want to see distinguishing features and

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

2002-10-19 Thread Sam Ruby
John McNally wrote: If a project is proposed that overlaps a (or a few) current project, I just think the bar needs to be a bit higher for approval. With that clarification, I agree. - Sam Ruby -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

2002-10-19 Thread Pier Fumagalli
On 19/10/02 19:49, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So could someone clarify that for me... We're here to promote community software developmentas long as they don't overlap? sorry I totally misunderstood the apache way. (especially with all the overlapping projects to the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

2002-10-19 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 2002/10/19 4:22 PM, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to start a new project for a new Servlet Container that is not Tomcat! :-) Let's see how many fans I'm going to get! :-) Pier Yea, let's see if we can move Jetty under Jakarta. =) -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\

RE: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

2002-10-19 Thread Martin Cooper
-Original Message- From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:jon;latchkey.com] Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 4:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta on 2002/10/19 4:22 PM, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to start a new project

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

2002-10-19 Thread John McNally
I have taken a closer look at Tapestry and it does provide a quite a different strategy for web application development than Turbine and probably also Struts. It's very well documented and the code looks well written also. I would be willing to drop my -1; I would like to hear a comparison with

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

2002-10-19 Thread Peter Donald
On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 09:40, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 2002/10/19 4:22 PM, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to start a new project for a new Servlet Container that is not Tomcat! :-) Let's see how many fans I'm going to get! :-) Pier Yea, let's see if we can move Jetty

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

2002-10-19 Thread Peter Donald
On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 10:31, John McNally wrote: It seems like a similar idea, or am I wrong? I liked the idea of spfc. Though the change in perspective needed to think of a webapp in terms of event driven components was considered too great a stretch, I guess. Is such an approach gaining more

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

2002-10-19 Thread Peter Donald
On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 02:06, Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote: Benevolent dictatorship. Probably should have expanded on this. Without a formal comittee or voting system, I've reserved the right to ultimately decide what goes into the framework and what doesn't. Start changing now. I don't know

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

2002-10-19 Thread Pier Fumagalli
On 20/10/02 0:40, Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2002/10/19 4:22 PM, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to start a new project for a new Servlet Container that is not Tomcat! :-) Let's see how many fans I'm going to get! :-) Pier Yea, let's see if we can