Re: [VOTE] Remove POI svn restrictions.

2006-12-15 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Will Glass-Husain wrote: Andy-- No one was going to railroad this through without input from POI. See my previous email where I insisted that we have POI participation. (and I would have -1'd this automatically if it had been lacking). The discussion was civil up until recently. Okay. It jus

Re: [VOTE] Remove POI svn restrictions.

2006-12-15 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
The alias is immaterial to me -Andy Roland Weber wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: [...] I would like to see a formats.apache.org project which was devoted to Java/Ruby/C# APIs for office software file formats and more. That's a very unspecific name. "formats" can mean anything, from f

Re: [VOTE] Remove POI svn restrictions.

2006-12-15 Thread Roland Weber
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > [...] > I would like to see a formats.apache.org project which was devoted to > Java/Ruby/C# APIs for office software file formats and more. That's a very unspecific name. "formats" can mean anything, from formatting a file system to data formats/representations like BER.

Re: [VOTE] Remove POI svn restrictions.

2006-12-15 Thread Will Glass-Husain
Andy-- No one was going to railroad this through without input from POI. See my previous email where I insisted that we have POI participation. (and I would have -1'd this automatically if it had been lacking). The discussion was civil up until recently. I am wondering about this vote though.

Re: [VOTE] Remove POI svn restrictions.

2006-12-15 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Hey I have an idea! If it doesn't pass this time we can call another vote right before the next holiday and hope that none of the POI PMC members are around... Then 3 months later do it again. -1 (because my votes don't seem to be counted and Henri will make up backstory for me) Henri Yand

Re: [VOTE] Remove POI svn restrictions.

2006-12-15 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I feel a bit attacked for no reason really (regarding the barbs thrown in my direction). It has been some time since I have not been rather civil on this list and I would expect the return courtesy. I've always tried to make a good faith effort with regards to POI. I have never supported (an

Re: [VOTE] Remove POI svn restrictions.

2006-12-15 Thread Niall Pemberton
On 12/15/06, Martin van den Bemt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi everyone, You probably think "Hey I have seen a similar vote started by Henri on 27-3-2006" and the outcome was 3 -1 from POI so their SVN is still closed for Jakarta committers. The reasoning behind this is that POI is still tryin

Re: [VOTE] Remove POI svn restrictions.

2006-12-15 Thread Henri Yandell
On 12/15/06, Andrew C. Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -1. You are of course misrepresenting the issue but okay. It is also because of the legal issues. Go read the archive and provide a good faith assertion rather than making an assumption. If YOU want to work on POI please submit some pat

Re: [VOTE] Remove POI svn restrictions.

2006-12-15 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
-1. You are of course misrepresenting the issue but okay. It is also because of the legal issues. Go read the archive and provide a good faith assertion rather than making an assumption. If YOU want to work on POI please submit some patches and following that should you wish to be a commit

Re: [VOTE] Remove POI svn restrictions.

2006-12-15 Thread Henri Yandell
On 12/15/06, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 12/15/06, Nick Burch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Martin van den Bemt wrote: > > Apache legal doesn't know anything about this.. > > Back when I joined POI, I was told the apache legal team had suggested the > requireme

Re: [VOTE] Remove POI svn restrictions.

2006-12-15 Thread Henri Yandell
On 12/15/06, Henning Schmiedehausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hm, does it pose a real legal threat or is it just a "felt threat" from Andy? As long as we're not soliciting trade secrets - tis good. I suspect this is a case of Andy's lawyer back in the day either having a different opinion or

Re: [VOTE] Remove POI svn restrictions.

2006-12-15 Thread Nick Burch
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Henri Yandell wrote: Back when I joined POI, I was told the apache legal team had suggested the requirement. Perhaps one of the older POI committers can supply the original details? My understanding is that the advice is from Andy's personal lawyer many moons ago, maybe b

Re: [VOTE] Remove POI svn restrictions.

2006-12-15 Thread Will Glass-Husain
If anyone comments or votes who is from the POI community, could you please identify yourself? We need to be sure there is representation in this vote. I'm abstaining till I see more debate. I see the implication of Martin's point -- POI is pretty insular in Jakarta. But where would POI go if

Re: [VOTE] Remove POI svn restrictions.

2006-12-15 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
Hm, does it pose a real legal threat or is it just a "felt threat" from Andy? I'm +0 for opening. I'm enthusiastic on pushing POI out of Jakarta to remove this restriction. While I agree that POI fits Jakarta theme-wise, this "access restriction" thing feels too much like a wart. Push it to TLP,

Re: [VOTE] Remove POI svn restrictions.

2006-12-15 Thread Henri Yandell
On 12/15/06, Nick Burch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Martin van den Bemt wrote: > Apache legal doesn't know anything about this.. Back when I joined POI, I was told the apache legal team had suggested the requirement. Perhaps one of the older POI committers can supply the ori

Re: [VOTE] Remove POI svn restrictions.

2006-12-15 Thread Martin van den Bemt
ehh +1 :) Mvgr, Martin Martin van den Bemt wrote: > Hi everyone, > > You probably think "Hey I have seen a similar vote started by Henri on > 27-3-2006" and the outcome > was 3 -1 from POI so their SVN is still closed for Jakarta committers. > > The reasoning behind this is that POI is still t

Re: [VOTE] Remove POI svn restrictions.

2006-12-15 Thread Nick Burch
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Martin van den Bemt wrote: Apache legal doesn't know anything about this.. Back when I joined POI, I was told the apache legal team had suggested the requirement. Perhaps one of the older POI committers can supply the original details? Nick

Re: [VOTE] Remove POI svn restrictions.

2006-12-15 Thread Martin van den Bemt
Which legal team ? Apache legal doesn't know anything about this.. Mvgr, Martin Nick Burch wrote: > On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Martin van den Bemt wrote: >> The reasoning behind this is that POI is still trying to stick to what >> it Jakarta once was and it is time they join the club completely. > > I

Re: [VOTE] Remove POI svn restrictions.

2006-12-15 Thread Nick Burch
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Martin van den Bemt wrote: The reasoning behind this is that POI is still trying to stick to what it Jakarta once was and it is time they join the club completely. I think it was actually a reccomendation from the legal team. We have always asked that anyone contributing c

[VOTE] Remove POI svn restrictions.

2006-12-15 Thread Martin van den Bemt
Hi everyone, You probably think "Hey I have seen a similar vote started by Henri on 27-3-2006" and the outcome was 3 -1 from POI so their SVN is still closed for Jakarta committers. The reasoning behind this is that POI is still trying to stick to what it Jakarta once was and it is time they j