Subject: Re: EJB = bad = MS.net
From: Vic C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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http://www.softwarereality.com/programming/ejb/EJB_101Damnations.pdf
Daniel Rall wrote:
> "Aaron Smuts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
>>So, I'm driven to a bit of exaggeration an
"Aaron Smuts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> So, I'm driven to a bit of exaggeration and overstatement at times
> especially when criticizing over-hyped technology like EJB. I've got
> lots of problems with XML and JSP too, if anyone else wants to fight :)
I got your back. ;-P
- Dan
--
To un
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
>There are times when a scalable remoteable solution is necessary.
>Granted these are 1 in 100 projects, (or fewer). Secondly, EJB is
>purely a bad implementation of this.
>
Note how many good ones you're citing...
>I recommend we table this discussion, it has drawn on.
to all.
I've written a ton of code, in addition to the persistence layer, that I
plan to put on source forge.
>From: "Aaron Smuts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Michael Lee'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PR
paid?
> This is exactly why politics should be off the forum. It's discouraging for
> people that want to get involved.
>
>
> >From: "Aaron Smuts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "'Jakarta General List&#x
ants to fight :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Aaron
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Michael Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 1:07 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: EJB = bad = MS.net
>
rs,
Aaron
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 1:07 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: EJB = bad = MS.net
>
>
> So by your response I take it you don't know how I can submit a
p
s. That's
life at Jakarta. Welcome.
>
> >From: "Aaron Smuts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "'Jakarta General List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: EJB = bad = MS.net
> >Dat
uraging for
people that want to get involved.
>From: "Aaron Smuts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Jakarta General List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: EJB = bad = MS.net
>Date: Sat, 23 Feb
>
> Knowing my qualifications here is my response to Aaron's post whom I
have
> summarized with this one line from him;
> "No matter what you try to do with EJB, I can provide a simpler,
faster,
> more scalable, and cheaper solution."
>
I was obviously overstating the matter. I guess I had
E/EJB,
etc. blows should be banned from this thread. These technologies are exactly
what this email group is about so obviously we like something about them. We
just want to share our work and make the technology better.
>From: "Andrew C. Oliver" Reply-To: "Jakarta General Li
Andrew,
>I recommend we table this discussion, it has drawn on. EJB/J2EE
>bitch-fest is not something that has a logical conclusion. I suggest
>participation in the design and development of AltiRMI and AJB (sp on
>both?)
>
Spelling corrections - AltRMI and EOB :-)
>is a more productive dis
There are times when a scalable remoteable solution is necessary.
Granted these are 1 in 100 projects, (or fewer). Secondly, EJB is
purely a bad implementation of this.
I recommend we table this discussion, it has drawn on. EJB/J2EE
bitch-fest is not something that has a logical conclusion. I
With EJB you complicate the deployment, slow down the performance and
save nothing except looking for middleware modules. Gee, I just don't
know where I'd find a connection pool or a logger or a single phase
transaction management system. Good thing I have Weblogic to save me so
much time. I'm
logy to be able to make
>it work.
>
>Hope that helps
> david
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Yu, Yanhui" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Vic Cekvenich'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Struts Users Mailing List"
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Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 8:27 PM
Subject: RE: EJB = bad = MS.net
> Hi,
>
> I am involved in a pretty
e original-
> De: Austin Gonyou [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Enviado el: jueves 21 de febrero de 2002 21:06
> Para: Jakarta General List
> Asunto: RE: EJB = bad = MS.net
>
>
> So what does that me JBoss is?
>
> On Thu, 2002-02-21 at 08:19, Fernandez Martinez, Alejan
Struts works just fine with EJBs, along with any other standard Java
technology.
The discussion is about EJBs in general, independant of whether they are
used with Struts or not.
A good number of Struts developers do use EJBs, which is why so many
people are contributing to this thread.
-- Te
gt;From: Vic Cekvenich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:42 AM
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: EJB = bad = MS.net
> >
> >
> >Home page of Jakarta has this
> >http://jakarta.apache.
: Vic Cekvenich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:42 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: EJB = bad = MS.net
>
>
>Home page of Jakarta has this
>http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html#0130.2
>on this:
>http:
this. Thank you very
much,
Yanhui
-Original Message-
From: Vic Cekvenich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:42 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
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Subject: EJB = bad = MS.net
Home page of Jakarta has this
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.
.
>
> > -Mensaje original-
> > De: Pete Chown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Enviado el: jueves 21 de febrero de 2002 14:09
> > Para: Jakarta General List
> > Asunto: Re: EJB = bad = MS.net
> >
> >
> > Vic Cekvenich wrote:
> >
> >
this list will allow to reduce the flow of
> postings to more reasonable levels.
>
> Best regards,
>
>Alex Esterkin
> =
>
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Vic Cekvenich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 20
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Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 12:42
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Subject: EJB = bad = MS.net
Home page of Jakarta has this
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html#0130.2
on this:
http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40jakarta.apache.org/msg03376.html
I agree. Doing E
ara: Jakarta General List
> Asunto: Re: EJB = bad = MS.net
>
>
> Vic Cekvenich wrote:
>
> > Doing EJBs is bad on many levels and creates more problems.
>
> Do you feel that the idea of an EJB-like system is bad, or just that
> EJBs specifically were badly desig
Vic Cekvenich wrote:
> Doing EJBs is bad on many levels and creates more problems.
Do you feel that the idea of an EJB-like system is bad, or just that
EJBs specifically were badly designed? I would be interested to hear
your thoughts on a better alternative.
I feel that web programming is cu
i like EJBs (note that i said "like" and not "love"). i think they have
some applicability.
however, a peeve of mine about EJBs and the spec is this claim of "location
independence." furthermore, the claim to location independence is eroding:
note that in the 1.1 spec it claims:
"The cl
Vic Cekvenich wrote:
> Home page of Jakarta has this
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html#0130.2
> on this:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40jakarta.apache.org/msg03376.html
>
> I agree. Doing EJBs is bad on many levels and creates more problems.
> Avoid EJB if you want to stay in J
That sounds more like opinion than fact. EJB's seem to work fine, and do
a good job, where they fit.
Why would you say that if you use EJBs you'll have to use .CRAP?
On Wed, 2002-02-20 at 11:42, Vic Cekvenich wrote:
> Home page of Jakarta has this
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html#0130
Home page of Jakarta has this
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html#0130.2
on this:
http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40jakarta.apache.org/msg03376.html
I agree. Doing EJBs is bad on many levels and creates more problems.
Avoid EJB if you want to stay in Java.
Alternative is to just use St
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