Re: POI TLP -- constructively

2006-12-21 Thread Martin van den Bemt
Thanx for your reply :) See inline for one comment.. Nick Burch wrote: > On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, Martin van den Bemt wrote: > > What I'm not a fan of are the "one user and one dev list for jakarta" type > proposals. If the option was that, or TLP, I'd start writing the TLP > supporting docs right no

Re: POI TLP -- constructively

2006-12-21 Thread Nick Burch
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, Martin van den Bemt wrote: > If poi committers agree with this proposal, I like to "hear" them :) We had a discussion on something like this on the poi-dev list back in the summer. To save everyone having to trawl back, here's basically what I had to say. I it is felt that P

Re: POI TLP -- constructively

2006-12-19 Thread Danny Angus
> +1 to this thread (the Jakarta parts - not the let's all talk about > our kids, but if anyone wants to I'm as talkative as any other father > :) ). +1 to making progress -1 to re-running the old bile. My kids both got hamsters yesterday (early for christmas), boy was that ever exciting! :-) d

Re: POI TLP -- constructively

2006-12-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On 12/18/06, Andrew C. Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sleep Martinsleep. All will be answered, resolved...but not today. Right now I'm going to help my 2 year old draw dinosaurs with his Hanukkah present (he is obsessed with dinosaurs). My 2 year old is obsessed with trains. We let the

Re: POI TLP -- constructively

2006-12-18 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Sleep Martinsleep. All will be answered, resolved...but not today. Right now I'm going to help my 2 year old draw dinosaurs with his Hanukkah present (he is obsessed with dinosaurs). -andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMA

Re: POI TLP -- constructively

2006-12-18 Thread Martin van den Bemt
Need to add here that for the TLP Proposal you also need a vote from Jakarta.. I'll try to shut up now :) Mvgr, Martin Martin van den Bemt wrote: > See inline. > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional comman

Re: POI TLP -- constructively

2006-12-18 Thread Martin van den Bemt
Is this just your proposal or do other POI committers back this up ? (probably in the text, but not as clear as I like it to be). If poi committers agree with this proposal, I like to "hear" them :) Mvgr, Martin - To unsubscrib

Re: POI TLP -- constructively

2006-12-18 Thread Martin van den Bemt
See inline. Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > It is fair to say that not many POI people participate in Jakarta. > However, to add perspective we never joined the "Jakarta as it is" -- we > joined Jakarta as it was...and one day this formed around us. It is > fair to criticize our build...it is prett

Re: POI TLP -- constructively

2006-12-18 Thread Roland Weber
Hi Andrew, thanks a lot for that mail. > It is > fair to criticize our build...it is pretty rusty and yucky. I do > however thing focusing too much on it is a bit well...mean. See my reply to Avik's mail. I didn't mean to focus. (That pun was unintentional, but I'll leave it in.) > I really do

Re: POI TLP -- constructively

2006-12-18 Thread Davanum Srinivas
+1. take a break :) -- dims On 12/18/06, Andrew C. Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I really liked hearing Avik speak up because he's been hurting for awhile and not spoken up. It was Nick's first release, cut him some slack. POI has been around since 2001, in Apache since 2002. It is nearl

Re: POI TLP -- constructively

2006-12-18 Thread Rahul Akolkar
Nice, agreed. -Rahul On 12/18/06, Andrew C. Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I really liked hearing Avik speak up because he's been hurting for - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [E

Re: POI TLP -- constructively

2006-12-18 Thread Niall Pemberton
Sounds good to me - thanks for this. Niall On 12/18/06, Andrew C. Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I really liked hearing Avik speak up because he's been hurting for awhile and not spoken up. It was Nick's first release, cut him some slack. POI has been around since 2001, in Apache since 200

Re: POI TLP -- constructively

2006-12-18 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Thank you Andy for the detailed and constructive response. I didn't and won't participate in the previous thread because there were too many negatives there. I like the proposals below, so long as the X months is not too large. I believe a 3-4 months target is appropriate for a POI TLP. That

Re: POI TLP -- constructively

2006-12-18 Thread Will Glass-Husain
Andy-- good thoughts. A very pragmatic look at the situation. Defuses the debate and provides practical suggestions for moving forward. By the way, as a POI user, I wouldn't worry too much about POI being doomed due to Microsoft's switch in formats. It's going to take years for developers to be

POI TLP -- constructively

2006-12-18 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I really liked hearing Avik speak up because he's been hurting for awhile and not spoken up. It was Nick's first release, cut him some slack. POI has been around since 2001, in Apache since 2002. It is nearly 2007. Talks of mentoring us or incubating us are a little patronizing and insultin