RE: LICENSE in .jar files

2002-03-21 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I guess I'm wondering what the legal definition of reverse-engineer means. To me that means disassemble. If I just write something that happens to have the same interface, inputs and outputs, to me that doesn't qualify as reverse-engineer but maybe thats just me. When my 5 year old stepson

RE: LICENSE in .jar files

2002-03-21 Thread Berin Loritsch
From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] BTW. Define: release ;-) That sounds like former persident Bill Clinton with his define sexual relations. Such a question insinuates guilt, and that you are trying to find a letter of the law loop hole to be clever about. Lawers are like

Re: LICENSE in .jar files

2002-03-21 Thread Conor MacNeill
acoliver wrote: I do. I was just curious. Have you a licence for that? :-) It's a mad world. Conor -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: LICENSE in .jar files

2002-03-20 Thread Shane Curcuru
Sorry for my tangent - it's clear that on legal matters, I should just get the heck outta Dodge and let someone with more patience work on it. 8-{ I've forwarded a link (with threading) to your (Conor's) message to the xml PMC so they should be aware of this licensing issue with JAXP and

RE: LICENSE in .jar files

2002-03-20 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
So could a non-tainted person through black box testing produce their own JAXP clone? -Andy On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 19:55, Conor MacNeill wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Peter Donald wrote: I think what Peter said was that you can read the

RE: LICENSE in .jar files

2002-03-20 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
BTW. Define: release ;-) On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 19:55, Conor MacNeill wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Peter Donald wrote: I think what Peter said was that you can read the spec only if you agree with the licence, and that prevents you

Re: LICENSE in .jar files

2002-03-20 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:03, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: So could a non-tainted person through black box testing produce their own JAXP clone? I don't see how as they need access to Suns IP someway and there is no way to get a license to do that. Ie can't use spec without being tainted and can't

RE: LICENSE in .jar files

2002-03-20 Thread Conor MacNeill
-Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 21 March 2002 1:03 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: RE: LICENSE in .jar files So could a non-tainted person through black box testing produce their own JAXP clone? -Andy I don't know

RE: LICENSE in .jar files

2002-03-20 Thread Conor MacNeill
-Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 21 March 2002 1:10 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: RE: LICENSE in .jar files BTW. Define: release ;-) I guess it would be up to a court to define release :-) I don't know what it means

RE: LICENSE in .jar files

2002-03-20 Thread dirkx
On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Conor MacNeill wrote: I don't know. IANAL. We really do need a lawyer. Anyway, in my view, you would not be able to legally run such a reverse engineered clone on a Sun You have a lawyer - or rather - the PMC has access to those beast. This is being worked on (even today

Re: LICENSE in .jar files

2002-03-18 Thread Paul Libbrecht
Well, This may work if: 1 the license applies to the redistributed version 2 or this license is provided only as a proof of purchase (that is a receipt that allows ASF to distribute this) but something more has to be indicated, that is, how to get it for yourself so as to be able to

Re: LICENSE in .jar files

2002-03-14 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 3/14/02 6:09 PM, Kevin A. Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be a good protocol to put a LICENSE file in .jar files under META-INF ? Sure. *poof* it is now done in all of the Jakarta projects. Don't you like magic like that? -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL

Re: LICENSE in .jar files

2002-03-14 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 3/14/02 9:17 PM, Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/14/02 6:09 PM, Kevin A. Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be a good protocol to put a LICENSE file in .jar files under META-INF ? Sure. *poof* it is now done in all of the Jakarta projects. Don't you like

Re: LICENSE in .jar files

2002-03-14 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Thu, 2002-03-14 at 22:16, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On 3/14/02 9:17 PM, Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/14/02 6:09 PM, Kevin A. Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be a good protocol to put a LICENSE file in .jar files under META-INF ? Sure. *poof* it