Re: [gentoo-dev] pkg_setup() and sandbox

2005-09-22 Thread Rumen Yotov
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:47:17 +0900 Georgi Georgiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Should pkg_setup() be run in a sandbox? > > The current reasons to not have it sandboxed include: > > - ebuilds need to add users > - ... (any others?) > > So, would it make sense to sandbox pkg_setup() and only unm

[gentoo-dev] Re: Two-level USE-flag system VAR: USE="minimal" for kernel sources

2005-09-22 Thread Duncan
Jason Stubbs posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:19:14 +0900: > On Friday 23 September 2005 05:28, Tom Fredrik Blenning Klaussen wrote: >> Now as for the USE flag system. It has actually become so big that it's >> difficult to use it effectively. I would actually s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New developer: Chris Lee (labmonkey)

2005-09-22 Thread Georgi Georgiev
maillog: 22/09/2005-22:48:06(-0700): Duncan types > Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò posted > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, > on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:52:45 +0200: > > > On Thursday 22 September 2005 12:30, Aaron Walker wrote: > > >> Everyone give Chris a warm welcome. > > Hi Chris and welcome :)

[gentoo-dev] Re: New developer: Chris Lee (labmonkey)

2005-09-22 Thread Duncan
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:52:45 +0200: > On Thursday 22 September 2005 12:30, Aaron Walker wrote: >> Everyone give Chris a warm welcome. > Hi Chris and welcome :) > > Btw... you're clee or it's just an omonimity (or whatever is

Re: [gentoo-dev] "Commercial" software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Friday 23 September 2005 06:09, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > it would be a good idea to give the user some way of knowing that a > package requires some additional purchased (or otherwise obtained) > portion that is not a distfile/tarball. It would be a good idea, indeed. RESTRICT="purchase" or s

[gentoo-dev] vim spell files

2005-09-22 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
Vim 7 includes a native spellchecker. It uses its own spell file format which can be created using Myspell *.aff/*.dic files (the same as for Mozilla and OpenOffice). The spell files are rather large, so it's not feasible to bundle them with vim unconditionally. Building a spell file from source i

Re: Two-level USE-flag system VAR: [gentoo-dev] USE="minimal" for kernel sources

2005-09-22 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Friday 23 September 2005 05:28, Tom Fredrik Blenning Klaussen wrote: > Now as for the USE flag system. It has actually become so big that it's > difficult to use it effectively. I would actually suggest that a two > level system of USE flags could be employed. Something like > wtk/gtk (Windowing

Re: [gentoo-dev] pkg_setup() and sandbox

2005-09-22 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 09:47:17AM +0900, Georgi Georgiev wrote: > Should pkg_setup() be run in a sandbox? > > The current reasons to not have it sandboxed include: > > - ebuilds need to add users > - ... (any others?) > > So, would it make sense to sandbox pkg_setup() and only unmask the > pass

[gentoo-dev] pkg_setup() and sandbox

2005-09-22 Thread Georgi Georgiev
Should pkg_setup() be run in a sandbox? The current reasons to not have it sandboxed include: - ebuilds need to add users - ... (any others?) So, would it make sense to sandbox pkg_setup() and only unmask the passwd files needed for adding users? enewuser & friends can be made to unmask those lo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Marking packages stable on x86

2005-09-22 Thread Mark Loeser
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:36:18 -0400 Mark Loeser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | I'm sending this email because I have seen some packages marked stable > | on x86 without the permission of the x86 team, and would like the > | people who can mark stable for x86 to contact us.

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Marking packages stable on x86

2005-09-22 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:36:18 -0400 Mark Loeser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I'm sending this email because I have seen some packages marked stable | on x86 without the permission of the x86 team, and would like the | people who can mark stable for x86 to contact us. Would the x86 team prefer it if

[gentoo-dev] Marking packages stable on x86

2005-09-22 Thread Mark Loeser
Since the acceptance of GLEP 40 and the creation of the x86 team, any package maintainers that are not on the x86 team must make arrangements with the team before marking their packages stable on x86. This is stated right in the GLEP. We'll likely defer to the maintainers judgement in the case th

Re: Two-level USE-flag system VAR: [gentoo-dev] USE="minimal" for kernel sources

2005-09-22 Thread warnera6
Tom Fredrik Blenning Klaussen wrote: > The average gentoo users are not stupid. Many people would not agree with that statement ;) come so far as to adjust something beyond the most basic USE flags at all, you're probably advanced enough to deciphre such a message. (It would be nice to have som

Re: [gentoo-dev] "Commercial" software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:57:16 -0400 warnera6 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Or just modify the DESCRIPTION field. "Doom3" -> | DESCRIPTION = " A popular first person shooter. This game requires a | license key to play." Simple no? Yick. I'd rather see metadata.xml long descriptions becoming more us

Re: [gentoo-dev] "Commercial" software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread warnera6
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 15:29 -0500, Brian Harring wrote: Alternatives/better approaches I'd be open to, although I'll admit up front I think what you're attempting needs to be pkg specific, which implies DESCRIPTION in the ebuild (to me at least). Snipping pretty much

Re: [gentoo-dev] "Commercial" software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 15:29 -0500, Brian Harring wrote: > Alternatives/better approaches I'd be open to, although I'll admit up > front I think what you're attempting needs to be pkg specific, which > implies DESCRIPTION in the ebuild (to me at least). Snipping pretty much everything since I *re

[gentoo-dev] app-admin/gwcc being removed

2005-09-22 Thread Daniel Gryniewicz
Hi, all. app-admin/gwcc has security issues, and has been unmaintained upstream for 3 years. The Gnome herd is no longer interested in maintaining it. I've masked it, and will remove it in a couple of weeks, if no one steps forward to maintain it. Daniel -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] "Commercial" software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 01:30:00PM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 11:46 -0500, Brian Harring wrote: > > Actually, it does have to deal with glep23, and you already stated in > > one of you emails (an "interim solution *now* since I've not heard > > anything from GLEP23 for

Two-level USE-flag system VAR: [gentoo-dev] USE="minimal" for kernel sources

2005-09-22 Thread Tom Fredrik Blenning Klaussen
On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 18:07 -0400, Alec Warner wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Tom Fredrik Blenning Klaussen wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-09-08 at 20:01 +0100, John Mylchreest wrote: > > > >>For the record, there is a bug open for this. (#64009) > >>Personally, I'm not kee

Re: [gentoo-dev] Removing app-vim/{vimspell,vimirc}

2005-09-22 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:32:23 +0200 Martin Schlemmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 20:20 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | > Unless anyone can come up with a good reason not to, I'm seriously | > considering masking then removing app-vim/{vimspell,vimirc}. | > | > vimspell is a n

Re: [gentoo-dev] Removing app-vim/{vimspell,vimirc}

2005-09-22 Thread Martin Schlemmer
On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 20:20 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Unless anyone can come up with a good reason not to, I'm seriously > considering masking then removing app-vim/{vimspell,vimirc}. > > vimspell is a nice idea, but it's hideously buggy. vim7 supports native > spellchecking which actually w

[gentoo-dev] Removing app-vim/{vimspell,vimirc}

2005-09-22 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
Unless anyone can come up with a good reason not to, I'm seriously considering masking then removing app-vim/{vimspell,vimirc}. vimspell is a nice idea, but it's hideously buggy. vim7 supports native spellchecking which actually works, so development on the various plugin spelling related tools ha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about XML files used in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Thursday 22 September 2005 18:14, Grobian wrote: > Paul de Vrieze wrote: > >> AFAIK "CDATA" will be satisfied by one single space as well... > > > > One of the drawbacks of DTD's. In general schema's are better in > > specifying an xml format, as they allow restrictions on CDATA, and more > > fr

Re: [gentoo-dev] "Commercial" software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 11:46 -0500, Brian Harring wrote: > Actually, it does have to deal with glep23, and you already stated in > one of you emails (an "interim solution *now* since I've not heard > anything from GLEP23 for some time"). This is an interim solution only in that it flags a package

Re: [gentoo-dev] "Commercial" software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Matti Bickel
Cory Visi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think this is a good idea. We just need to call it something that > doesn't cause endless confusion. Sticking something like a "non-complete version" sticker on it would help. > On a related note, keeping with the philosophy here, I would say that > Oper

Re: [gentoo-dev] "Commercial" software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Gianelloni wrote: | On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 00:37 +0900, Georgi Georgiev wrote: |>So, how do you treat icc? It requires a license key, but you can get the |>key for free after registering. The package does not cost money and does |>not work out of

Re: [gentoo-dev] "Commercial" software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Cory Visi
On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 11:54:25AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 00:37 +0900, Georgi Georgiev wrote: > > maillog: 22/09/2005-09:28:53(-0400): Chris Gianelloni types > > > I thought I had made it fairly clear, but I can elaborate. > > > > > > "commercial" would be anything

Re: [gentoo-dev] "Commercial" software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 09:30:20AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 17:55 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote: > > Is this just a one-off implementation until GLEP 23 is implemented, or > > something that will complement it? Whats going to happen to this data > > after GLEP23 gets im

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about XML files used in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Grobian
Paul de Vrieze wrote: AFAIK "CDATA" will be satisfied by one single space as well... One of the drawbacks of DTD's. In general schema's are better in specifying an xml format, as they allow restrictions on CDATA, and more freedom in other areas (like true order independence). Is there a r

Re: [gentoo-dev] "Commercial" software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 00:37 +0900, Georgi Georgiev wrote: > maillog: 22/09/2005-09:28:53(-0400): Chris Gianelloni types > > I thought I had made it fairly clear, but I can elaborate. > > > > "commercial" would be anything that requires a purchase to use. This > > could be anything from specific m

Re: [gentoo-dev] "Commercial" software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Georgi Georgiev
maillog: 22/09/2005-09:28:53(-0400): Chris Gianelloni types > I thought I had made it fairly clear, but I can elaborate. > > "commercial" would be anything that requires a purchase to use. This > could be anything from specific media (such as most games) to a CD key > or license file. > > The ba

Re: [gentoo-dev] linux-info.eclass and $CONFIG_CHECK

2005-09-22 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 10:46 +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > On Wednesday 21 September 2005 19:52, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 17:47 +0100, John Mylchreest wrote: > > > anyways). After much deliberation I feel the actual best way to deal > > > with this, is to have an override e

Re: [gentoo-dev] "Commercial" software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 10:14 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Marius Mauch wrote: > > > My other concern is that > > there is no clear criteria for commercial packages, e.g. are sun-jdk / > > other fetch restricted packages commercial? > > +1 > I think the world isn't black and white and we might fi

Re: [gentoo-dev] "Commercial" software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 17:55 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote: > Is this just a one-off implementation until GLEP 23 is implemented, or > something that will complement it? Whats going to happen to this data > after GLEP23 gets implemented? I'd hate to see something added simply > because its a quick on

Re: [gentoo-dev] "Commercial" software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 00:31 +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: > On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:51:16 -0400 > Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Basically, we just add "commercial" to LICENSE in the ebuild, and (if > > wanted or necessary) add "check_license > > $licese_required_to_be_accepted" to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Say no to static libraries!

2005-09-22 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 22 September 2005 05:23 am, Ervin Németh wrote: > * It would break bash, because the ebuild expects a static libcurses. well, yes and no ... if static ncurses is unavailable, the bash ebuild will use the bundled gnutermcap (which sucks hard compared to ncurses) > For automake packa

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developers / polish invasion :)

2005-09-22 Thread Krzysiek Pawlik
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Elfyn McBratney wrote: >>Krzysiek Pawlik (nelchael) is going to help with the influx of >>desktop-misc bugs. I'll let Krzysiek introduce himself: > > > /me prods nelchael > ;) /me pokes beu /me pokes beu again /me pokes beu again and again > *cough

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developers / polish invasion :)

2005-09-22 Thread Krzysiek Pawlik
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wernfried Haas wrote: > Ok, here's a warm welcome to nelchael and mkay. Would you like fries > with it? Will You bring salt too? ;) - -- Krzysiek 'Nelchael' Pawlik GPG:0xBC51 Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. -BEGIN PGP

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Chris Lee (labmonkey)

2005-09-22 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Thursday 22 September 2005 12:30, Aaron Walker wrote: > (for anyone feeling > generous I don't mind a pizza either ;p). You have to do your homework before (read: install G/FBSD) or you won't get any pizza :P > Everyone give Chris a warm welcome. Hi Chris and welcome :) That strange character

Re: [gentoo-dev] linux-info.eclass and $CONFIG_CHECK

2005-09-22 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 05:47:09PM +0100, John Mylchreest wrote: > First of all, falling back on `uname -r` isn't going to happen for > several reasons. I can understand for some why this might seem sensible > (what happens if you remove your kernel sources for example). But the > fact remains that

[gentoo-dev] Userland variable extension

2005-09-22 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
This seems to be something we should start thinking of soon, very soon.. The original USERLAND variable was originally set to GNU or BSD to indicate the flavor of the system commands. This dicotomic assignment demonstrated itself too generic, and we currently have GNU, BSD and Darwin. This is sti

[gentoo-dev] New developer: Chris Lee (labmonkey)

2005-09-22 Thread Aaron Walker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greeting, Allow me to introduce our latest addition to the team, Chris Lee aka LabMonkey. Chris has joined us to help the app-backup herd, mainly to maintain bacula. He also will probably be helping sparc (once he gets one). - From his quiz: "I hav

Re: [gentoo-dev] Say no to static libraries!

2005-09-22 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Thursday 22 September 2005 11:23, Ervin Németh wrote: > But how? > > If I do a "du -hc /usr/lib/lib*.a | tail -n1", it shows 63M. And I > really don't need them. > > Why INSTALL_MASK="*.a" is bad? > > * It would break bash, because the ebuild expects a static libcurses. > > * It would not sa

[gentoo-dev] Say no to static libraries!

2005-09-22 Thread Ervin Németh
But how? If I do a "du -hc /usr/lib/lib*.a | tail -n1", it shows 63M. And I really don't need them. Why INSTALL_MASK="*.a" is bad? * It would break bash, because the ebuild expects a static libcurses. * It would not save compile time. I would really appreciate if gtk+ compiled twice as fast

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about XML files used in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Wednesday 21 September 2005 23:17, Jan Kundrát wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > It should contain text, but I don't think that the dtd requires it. > > Perhaps it should? > > AFAIK "CDATA" will be satisfied by one single space as well... One of the drawbacks of DTD's. In general schema's ar

Re: [gentoo-dev] linux-info.eclass and $CONFIG_CHECK

2005-09-22 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Wednesday 21 September 2005 19:52, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 17:47 +0100, John Mylchreest wrote: > > anyways). After much deliberation I feel the actual best way to deal > > with this, is to have an override envvar which will bypass a die, and > > simply warn instead. This

Re: [gentoo-dev] "Commercial" software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Thierry Carrez
Marius Mauch wrote: > My other concern is that > there is no clear criteria for commercial packages, e.g. are sun-jdk / > other fetch restricted packages commercial? +1 I think the world isn't black and white and we might find things in the grey area between "commercial" and "non-commercial". --