Re: [gentoo-dev] Commercial software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Thierry Carrez
Marius Mauch wrote: My other concern is that there is no clear criteria for commercial packages, e.g. are sun-jdk / other fetch restricted packages commercial? +1 I think the world isn't black and white and we might find things in the grey area between commercial and non-commercial. -- Koon

Re: [gentoo-dev] linux-info.eclass and $CONFIG_CHECK

2005-09-22 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Wednesday 21 September 2005 19:52, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 17:47 +0100, John Mylchreest wrote: anyways). After much deliberation I feel the actual best way to deal with this, is to have an override envvar which will bypass a die, and simply warn instead. This will

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about XML files used in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Wednesday 21 September 2005 23:17, Jan Kundrát wrote: Chris Gianelloni wrote: It should contain text, but I don't think that the dtd requires it. Perhaps it should? AFAIK CDATA will be satisfied by one single space as well... One of the drawbacks of DTD's. In general schema's are better

[gentoo-dev] Say no to static libraries!

2005-09-22 Thread Ervin Németh
But how? If I do a du -hc /usr/lib/lib*.a | tail -n1, it shows 63M. And I really don't need them. Why INSTALL_MASK=*.a is bad? * It would break bash, because the ebuild expects a static libcurses. * It would not save compile time. I would really appreciate if gtk+ compiled twice as fast.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Say no to static libraries!

2005-09-22 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Thursday 22 September 2005 11:23, Ervin Németh wrote: But how? If I do a du -hc /usr/lib/lib*.a | tail -n1, it shows 63M. And I really don't need them. Why INSTALL_MASK=*.a is bad? * It would break bash, because the ebuild expects a static libcurses. * It would not save compile

[gentoo-dev] New developer: Chris Lee (labmonkey)

2005-09-22 Thread Aaron Walker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greeting, Allow me to introduce our latest addition to the team, Chris Lee aka LabMonkey. Chris has joined us to help the app-backup herd, mainly to maintain bacula. He also will probably be helping sparc (once he gets one). - From his quiz: I

[gentoo-dev] Userland variable extension

2005-09-22 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
This seems to be something we should start thinking of soon, very soon.. The original USERLAND variable was originally set to GNU or BSD to indicate the flavor of the system commands. This dicotomic assignment demonstrated itself too generic, and we currently have GNU, BSD and Darwin. This is

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Chris Lee (labmonkey)

2005-09-22 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Thursday 22 September 2005 12:30, Aaron Walker wrote: (for anyone feeling generous I don't mind a pizza either ;p). You have to do your homework before (read: install G/FBSD) or you won't get any pizza :P Everyone give Chris a warm welcome. Hi Chris and welcome :) That strange character

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developers / polish invasion :)

2005-09-22 Thread Krzysiek Pawlik
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wernfried Haas wrote: Ok, here's a warm welcome to nelchael and mkay. Would you like fries with it? Will You bring salt too? ;) - -- Krzysiek 'Nelchael' Pawlik GPG:0xBC51 Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. -BEGIN PGP

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developers / polish invasion :)

2005-09-22 Thread Krzysiek Pawlik
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Elfyn McBratney wrote: Krzysiek Pawlik (nelchael) is going to help with the influx of desktop-misc bugs. I'll let Krzysiek introduce himself: /me prods nelchael ;) /me pokes beu /me pokes beu again /me pokes beu again and again *cough* ..

Re: [gentoo-dev] Say no to static libraries!

2005-09-22 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 22 September 2005 05:23 am, Ervin Németh wrote: * It would break bash, because the ebuild expects a static libcurses. well, yes and no ... if static ncurses is unavailable, the bash ebuild will use the bundled gnutermcap (which sucks hard compared to ncurses) For automake

Re: [gentoo-dev] Commercial software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 00:31 +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:51:16 -0400 Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Basically, we just add commercial to LICENSE in the ebuild, and (if wanted or necessary) add check_license $licese_required_to_be_accepted to pkg_setup on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Commercial software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 17:55 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote: Is this just a one-off implementation until GLEP 23 is implemented, or something that will complement it? Whats going to happen to this data after GLEP23 gets implemented? I'd hate to see something added simply because its a quick

Re: [gentoo-dev] Commercial software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 10:14 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: Marius Mauch wrote: My other concern is that there is no clear criteria for commercial packages, e.g. are sun-jdk / other fetch restricted packages commercial? +1 I think the world isn't black and white and we might find things

Re: [gentoo-dev] linux-info.eclass and $CONFIG_CHECK

2005-09-22 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 10:46 +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote: On Wednesday 21 September 2005 19:52, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 17:47 +0100, John Mylchreest wrote: anyways). After much deliberation I feel the actual best way to deal with this, is to have an override envvar

Re: [gentoo-dev] Commercial software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Georgi Georgiev
maillog: 22/09/2005-09:28:53(-0400): Chris Gianelloni types I thought I had made it fairly clear, but I can elaborate. commercial would be anything that requires a purchase to use. This could be anything from specific media (such as most games) to a CD key or license file. The basic idea

Re: [gentoo-dev] Commercial software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 00:37 +0900, Georgi Georgiev wrote: maillog: 22/09/2005-09:28:53(-0400): Chris Gianelloni types I thought I had made it fairly clear, but I can elaborate. commercial would be anything that requires a purchase to use. This could be anything from specific media (such

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about XML files used in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Grobian
Paul de Vrieze wrote: AFAIK CDATA will be satisfied by one single space as well... One of the drawbacks of DTD's. In general schema's are better in specifying an xml format, as they allow restrictions on CDATA, and more freedom in other areas (like true order independence). Is there a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Commercial software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 09:30:20AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 17:55 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote: Is this just a one-off implementation until GLEP 23 is implemented, or something that will complement it? Whats going to happen to this data after GLEP23 gets

Re: [gentoo-dev] Commercial software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Cory Visi
On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 11:54:25AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 00:37 +0900, Georgi Georgiev wrote: maillog: 22/09/2005-09:28:53(-0400): Chris Gianelloni types I thought I had made it fairly clear, but I can elaborate. commercial would be anything that requires

Re: [gentoo-dev] Commercial software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Gianelloni wrote: | On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 00:37 +0900, Georgi Georgiev wrote: |So, how do you treat icc? It requires a license key, but you can get the |key for free after registering. The package does not cost money and does |not work out of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Commercial software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 11:46 -0500, Brian Harring wrote: Actually, it does have to deal with glep23, and you already stated in one of you emails (an interim solution *now* since I've not heard anything from GLEP23 for some time). This is an interim solution only in that it flags a package as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about XML files used in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Thursday 22 September 2005 18:14, Grobian wrote: Paul de Vrieze wrote: AFAIK CDATA will be satisfied by one single space as well... One of the drawbacks of DTD's. In general schema's are better in specifying an xml format, as they allow restrictions on CDATA, and more freedom in

[gentoo-dev] Removing app-vim/{vimspell,vimirc}

2005-09-22 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
Unless anyone can come up with a good reason not to, I'm seriously considering masking then removing app-vim/{vimspell,vimirc}. vimspell is a nice idea, but it's hideously buggy. vim7 supports native spellchecking which actually works, so development on the various plugin spelling related tools

Re: [gentoo-dev] Removing app-vim/{vimspell,vimirc}

2005-09-22 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:32:23 +0200 Martin Schlemmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 20:20 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | Unless anyone can come up with a good reason not to, I'm seriously | considering masking then removing app-vim/{vimspell,vimirc}. | | vimspell is a nice

Two-level USE-flag system VAR: [gentoo-dev] USE=minimal for kernel sources

2005-09-22 Thread Tom Fredrik Blenning Klaussen
On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 18:07 -0400, Alec Warner wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom Fredrik Blenning Klaussen wrote: On Thu, 2005-09-08 at 20:01 +0100, John Mylchreest wrote: For the record, there is a bug open for this. (#64009) Personally, I'm not keen on the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Commercial software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread warnera6
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 15:29 -0500, Brian Harring wrote: Alternatives/better approaches I'd be open to, although I'll admit up front I think what you're attempting needs to be pkg specific, which implies DESCRIPTION in the ebuild (to me at least). Snipping pretty

Re: [gentoo-dev] Commercial software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:57:16 -0400 warnera6 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Or just modify the DESCRIPTION field. Doom3 - | DESCRIPTION = A popular first person shooter. This game requires a | license key to play. Simple no? Yick. I'd rather see metadata.xml long descriptions becoming more useful

Re: Two-level USE-flag system VAR: [gentoo-dev] USE=minimal for kernel sources

2005-09-22 Thread warnera6
Tom Fredrik Blenning Klaussen wrote: The average gentoo users are not stupid. Many people would not agree with that statement ;) come so far as to adjust something beyond the most basic USE flags at all, you're probably advanced enough to deciphre such a message. (It would be nice to have

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Marking packages stable on x86

2005-09-22 Thread Mark Loeser
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:36:18 -0400 Mark Loeser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I'm sending this email because I have seen some packages marked stable | on x86 without the permission of the x86 team, and would like the | people who can mark stable for x86 to contact us.

[gentoo-dev] pkg_setup() and sandbox

2005-09-22 Thread Georgi Georgiev
Should pkg_setup() be run in a sandbox? The current reasons to not have it sandboxed include: - ebuilds need to add users - ... (any others?) So, would it make sense to sandbox pkg_setup() and only unmask the passwd files needed for adding users? enewuser friends can be made to unmask those

Re: Two-level USE-flag system VAR: [gentoo-dev] USE=minimal for kernel sources

2005-09-22 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Friday 23 September 2005 05:28, Tom Fredrik Blenning Klaussen wrote: Now as for the USE flag system. It has actually become so big that it's difficult to use it effectively. I would actually suggest that a two level system of USE flags could be employed. Something like wtk/gtk (Windowing

[gentoo-dev] vim spell files

2005-09-22 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
Vim 7 includes a native spellchecker. It uses its own spell file format which can be created using Myspell *.aff/*.dic files (the same as for Mozilla and OpenOffice). The spell files are rather large, so it's not feasible to bundle them with vim unconditionally. Building a spell file from source

Re: [gentoo-dev] Commercial software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Friday 23 September 2005 06:09, Chris Gianelloni wrote: it would be a good idea to give the user some way of knowing that a package requires some additional purchased (or otherwise obtained) portion that is not a distfile/tarball. It would be a good idea, indeed. RESTRICT=purchase or

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] idea: strict run-time dependencies to remove perl-cleaner, python-updater...

2005-09-22 Thread pclouds
Well, my aim is mainly perl, python, nautilus, gtk+ modules... As for kernel modules, i'd rather all gentoo-provided kernel modules are updated properly without exaustive search (too slow). People who manually install kernel modules should take care of themselves :) On 9/22/05, Finn Thain [EMAIL