Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone interested in maintaining the Gentoo Handbooks?

2009-10-03 Thread Joshua Saddler
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 20:45:21 +0300 Markos Chandras wrote: > This is actually true. Maybe all devs should have access on docs since the > docs teams are dead. I would suggest to let all developers contribute to > documentation whether they belong to docs team or not No. Many (most?) devs do not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone interested in maintaining the Gentoo Handbooks?

2009-10-03 Thread Joshua Saddler
On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 00:58:56 +0100 AllenJB wrote: > I have no intention of "shitting all over" anybodys work. My apologies > if that was the interpretation. I'm simply escalating an issue I have > raised before to somewhere I think it'll get more attention. I realize (now) it wasn't your intentio

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone interested in maintaining the Gentoo Handbooks?

2009-10-03 Thread AllenJB
Joshua Saddler wrote: > On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:54:31 +0100 > AllenJB wrote: > >> I have tried to bring up the issues on the docs team list but pretty >> much get shot down and told everything is fine and dandy. > > Going to have to call "bullshit" on this one. Who told you that on the lists? >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone interested in maintaining the Gentoo Handbooks?

2009-10-03 Thread Joshua Saddler
On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:54:31 +0100 AllenJB wrote: > I have tried to bring up the issues on the docs team list but pretty > much get shot down and told everything is fine and dandy. Going to have to call "bullshit" on this one. Who told you that on the lists? Have you *seen* *any* of the posts *

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: LD_AS_NEEDED="1" in profiles/targets/developer/make.defaults?

2009-10-03 Thread Samuli Suominen
Ryan Hill wrote: > On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:13:59 +0300 > Samuli Suominen wrote: > >> Since new binutils will support LD_AS_NEEDED="1" to force ld behave >> asneeded we could use this for the developer -target in profiles? >> >> Speak up if you think it's a terrible idea. >> >> Thanks, Samuli >> >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone interested in maintaining the Gentoo Handbooks?

2009-10-03 Thread Nandeep Mali
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:33 PM, AllenJB wrote: > Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: [...] >>> I personally would happily donate my time to working on the docs, if >>> only it didn't involve a markup language nobody else uses. >> >> You're in luck, the Beacon project has perfected it's Django branch >> which

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: LD_AS_NEEDED="1" in profiles/targets/developer/make.defaults?

2009-10-03 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 04-10-2009 00:11:06 +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: > Perhaps we could add a new function to the flag-o-matic that does the > > CHOST check, and appends the flag, so the check code wouldn't have to be > > duplicated in ebuilds? It should be rather trivial. > > > > ok, chost check would be cheap

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: LD_AS_NEEDED="1" in profiles/targets/developer/make.defaults?

2009-10-03 Thread Samuli Suominen
Samuli Suominen wrote: > Fabian Groffen wrote: >> On 03-10-2009 23:27:41 +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: >>> The amount of pkgs in tree with valid code that fails with asneeded is >>> close to zero. We can use this, >>> >>> if use userland_GNU; then >>> append-ldflags -Wl,--no-as-needed >>> fi >>> >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: LD_AS_NEEDED="1" in profiles/targets/developer/make.defaults?

2009-10-03 Thread Samuli Suominen
Fabian Groffen wrote: > On 03-10-2009 23:27:41 +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: >> The amount of pkgs in tree with valid code that fails with asneeded is >> close to zero. We can use this, >> >> if use userland_GNU; then >> append-ldflags -Wl,--no-as-needed >> fi >> >> logic so it won't cause you trou

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: LD_AS_NEEDED="1" in profiles/targets/developer/make.defaults?

2009-10-03 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 03-10-2009 23:27:41 +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: > The amount of pkgs in tree with valid code that fails with asneeded is > close to zero. We can use this, > > if use userland_GNU; then > append-ldflags -Wl,--no-as-needed > fi > > logic so it won't cause you troubles. Or the obvious shorter &

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: LD_AS_NEEDED="1" in profiles/targets/developer/make.defaults?

2009-10-03 Thread Samuli Suominen
Fabian Groffen wrote: > On 03-10-2009 22:35:58 +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: >> Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >>> On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:13:59 +0300 >>> Samuli Suominen wrote: Since new binutils will support LD_AS_NEEDED="1" to force ld behave asneeded we could use this for the developer -targe

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: LD_AS_NEEDED="1" in profiles/targets/developer/make.defaults?

2009-10-03 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:13:59 +0300 Samuli Suominen wrote: > Since new binutils will support LD_AS_NEEDED="1" to force ld behave > asneeded we could use this for the developer -target in profiles? > > Speak up if you think it's a terrible idea. > > Thanks, Samuli > > I think it's a not terrib

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: LD_AS_NEEDED="1" in profiles/targets/developer/make.defaults?

2009-10-03 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 03-10-2009 22:35:58 +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:13:59 +0300 > > Samuli Suominen wrote: > >> Since new binutils will support LD_AS_NEEDED="1" to force ld behave > >> asneeded we could use this for the developer -target in profiles? > >> > >>

[gentoo-dev] Re: Anyone interested in maintaining the Gentoo Handbooks?

2009-10-03 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:54:31 +0100 AllenJB wrote: > I personally would happily donate my time to working on the docs, if > only it didn't involve a markup language nobody else uses. I suggested a > closed wiki for official documentation, but was again shot down saying > that the existing team (wh

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: LD_AS_NEEDED="1" in profiles/targets/developer/make.defaults?

2009-10-03 Thread Samuli Suominen
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:13:59 +0300 > Samuli Suominen wrote: >> Since new binutils will support LD_AS_NEEDED="1" to force ld behave >> asneeded we could use this for the developer -target in profiles? >> >> Speak up if you think it's a terrible idea. > > Well, it does brea

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: LD_AS_NEEDED="1" in profiles/targets/developer/make.defaults?

2009-10-03 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:13:59 +0300 Samuli Suominen wrote: > Since new binutils will support LD_AS_NEEDED="1" to force ld behave > asneeded we could use this for the developer -target in profiles? > > Speak up if you think it's a terrible idea. Well, it does break correct code, so it's about on p

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: LD_AS_NEEDED="1" in profiles/targets/developer/make.defaults?

2009-10-03 Thread Samuli Suominen
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > 2009-10-03 21:13:59 Samuli Suominen napisał(a): >> Since new binutils will support LD_AS_NEEDED="1" to force ld behave >> asneeded we could use this for the developer -target in profiles? > > IMHO it should be set in the base profile so that everybody b

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: LD_AS_NEEDED="1" in profiles/targets/developer/make.defaults?

2009-10-03 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2009-10-03 21:13:59 Samuli Suominen napisał(a): > Since new binutils will support LD_AS_NEEDED="1" to force ld behave > asneeded we could use this for the developer -target in profiles? IMHO it should be set in the base profile so that everybody benefits from this. -- Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: LD_AS_NEEDED="1" in profiles/targets/developer/make.defaults?

2009-10-03 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
Dne sobota 03 Říjen 2009 21:13:59 Samuli Suominen napsal(a): > Since new binutils will support LD_AS_NEEDED="1" to force ld behave > asneeded we could use this for the developer -target in profiles? > > Speak up if you think it's a terrible idea. > > Thanks, Samuli > Could we enable it everywher

[gentoo-dev] RFC: LD_AS_NEEDED="1" in profiles/targets/developer/make.defaults?

2009-10-03 Thread Samuli Suominen
Since new binutils will support LD_AS_NEEDED="1" to force ld behave asneeded we could use this for the developer -target in profiles? Speak up if you think it's a terrible idea. Thanks, Samuli

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone interested in maintaining the Gentoo Handbooks?

2009-10-03 Thread Joseph Jezak
For what it's worth, I've got an updated PowerPC handbook pretty much ready to go (still missing some sections that I want to add for the PS3). However, I haven't gotten around to figuring out what all of the XML replacement variables are currently and if they were going to change to reflect autobu

[gentoo-dev] Re: Anyone interested in maintaining the Gentoo Handbooks?

2009-10-03 Thread Duncan
AllenJB posted on Sat, 03 Oct 2009 18:03:16 +0100 as excerpted: > http://bugs.gentoo.org/260403 ) > > The last comment on that bug by a docs team member basically says: >> All the doc they need is 'Boot CD, follow on-screen instruction. If it >> fails, file a bug for the release team'. Done. >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone interested in maintaining the Gentoo Handbooks?

2009-10-03 Thread Markos Chandras
> On Saturday 03 of October 2009 18:17:36 David Abbott wrote: > > I always use the x86 Quick install guide [1] I did an amd64 install > > using it and can not recall changing anything. > > And i don't use any guide nor handbook any more, because i know what to do > step by step. That doesn't mean h

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone interested in maintaining the Gentoo Handbooks?

2009-10-03 Thread Dawid Węgliński
On Saturday 03 of October 2009 18:17:36 David Abbott wrote: > I always use the x86 Quick install guide [1] I did an amd64 install > using it and can not recall changing anything. And i don't use any guide nor handbook any more, because i know what to do step by step. That doesn't mean handbook s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone interested in maintaining the Gentoo Handbooks?

2009-10-03 Thread N J
Hi all, I made a new install the other week-end and I found a couple of strange things so I would like to help out. The only problem is that I am pretty newb so I can only point out small things but i would like to help. One big thing is that we now use eselect in a lot of cases. In addition, I m

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone interested in maintaining the Gentoo Handbooks?

2009-10-03 Thread AllenJB
Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 8:24 PM, AllenJB wrote: >> The situation with the Gentoo Handbook is quite frankly getting beyond a >> joke for those of us donating our time to help users. >> >> I have tried to bring up the issues on the docs team list but pretty >> much get shot

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone interested in maintaining the Gentoo Handbooks?

2009-10-03 Thread David Abbott
AllenJB wrote: Hi all, The situation with the Gentoo Handbook is quite frankly getting beyond a joke for those of us donating our time to help users. I have tried to bring up the issues on the docs team list but pretty much get shot down and told everything is fine and dandy. For example, quot

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone interested in maintaining the Gentoo Handbooks?

2009-10-03 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 8:24 PM, AllenJB wrote: > The situation with the Gentoo Handbook is quite frankly getting beyond a > joke for those of us donating our time to help users. > > I have tried to bring up the issues on the docs team list but pretty > much get shot down and told everything is fin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone interested in maintaining the Gentoo Handbooks?

2009-10-03 Thread Victor Ostorga
On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:54:31 +0100 AllenJB wrote: > Hi all, > > The situation with the Gentoo Handbook is quite frankly getting > beyond a joke for those of us donating our time to help users. > > I have tried to bring up the issues on the docs team list but pretty > much get shot down and told

[gentoo-dev] Anyone interested in maintaining the Gentoo Handbooks?

2009-10-03 Thread AllenJB
Hi all, The situation with the Gentoo Handbook is quite frankly getting beyond a joke for those of us donating our time to help users. I have tried to bring up the issues on the docs team list but pretty much get shot down and told everything is fine and dandy. For example, quoteth the Handbook

[gentoo-dev] Re: Anyone intrested in maintaining Midnight Commander?

2009-10-03 Thread Duncan
matt mooney posted on Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:40:55 -0700 as excerpted: > I would possibly be interested in maintaining mc. I am not a current > gentoo developer, but I have been trying to get involved recently. Is > there anyway I could help out? Or is this only for current gentoo > developers. Hi,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone intrested in maintaining Midnight Commander?

2009-10-03 Thread Philip Webb
091003 Alex Alexander wrote: > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 21:57, Samuli Suominen wrote: >> The latest version is now patch free, 4.7.0_pre3, >> and there's only 1 bug open. So I'm basically done with it. >> If any of you actually use it, feel free to substitute me >> from the metadata.xml, I just pick