Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-18 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:26:57PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: On 09/17/2011 08:47 PM, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 14:06 Fri 16 Sep , Zac Medico wrote: Bumping the EAPI of the root profiles/eapi file would be a different matter, since it applies to the whole repository. If you want to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-18 Thread Ulrich Mueller
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011, Zac Medico wrote: So in your opinion, it would be fine to bump profiles/eapi to EAPI=4 now? Yes, it's feasible. As a consequence, we may get some complaints from users who haven't upgraded during the last six months.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-18 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: On 09/17/2011 08:47 PM, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 14:06 Fri 16 Sep     , Zac Medico wrote: Bumping the EAPI of the root profiles/eapi file would be a different matter, since it applies to the whole repository. If you want

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-18 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:54:56 +0530 Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org wrote: I don't see any features in EAPI 3 and 4 that are useful for the profiles. However, a bump to EAPI 2 (or at least 1) would be *extremely* beneficial, and cause much less chaos. Speaking with my GNOME hat, it will

proposal for cross-compie support in EAPI-5, was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-18 Thread Thomas Sachau
Thomas Sachau schrieb: Tomáš Chvátal schrieb: Start collecting ideas for EAPI5. 1) USE-flag based support to cross-compile packages (mostly implemented in multilib-portage) let me extend this a bit, first the reasoning behind it: For amd64 users, there is sometimes the issue, that they

Re: [gentoo-dev] new `usex` helper

2011-09-18 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:59:08PM -0500, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 13:43 Fri 16 Sep , Brian Harring wrote: What I said from the getgo and you're missing is that pushing EAPI implementation into the tree and ignoring EAPI, or having this notion that every repository must automatically

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:43 AM, Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote: I think putting more pressure so systemd isn't given as granted would be more healthy for both those who are not using it (because, again, is an aberration for any kind of daemon not written for it) and those that want to

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Michał Górny
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 08:38:31 -0400 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: Is there something in particular that is causing alarm with systemd? All I've seen is a package in the tree and some discussion. I'm sure there will be requests for various packages to install some files needed for

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: No, there isn't anything traumatic. The only thing systemd folks are doing is nicely asking devs to include systemd unit files whenever necessary or use the eclass whenever upstream supplies those files. In other words,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-18 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18-09-2011 09:33, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:54:56 +0530 Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org wrote: I don't see any features in EAPI 3 and 4 that are useful for the profiles. However, a bump to EAPI 2 (or at least 1) would

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18-09-2011 12:59, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: No, there isn't anything traumatic. The only thing systemd folks are doing is nicely asking devs to include systemd unit files

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-18 Thread Michał Górny
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 10:33:32 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:54:56 +0530 Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org wrote: I don't see any features in EAPI 3 and 4 that are useful for the profiles. However, a bump to EAPI 2 (or at least 1) would

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Michał Górny
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:27:02 + Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18-09-2011 12:59, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: No, there isn't anything

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Saturday, September 17, 2011 06:40:03 PM Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 10:36:27AM +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: (The other reason I think systemd and udev might merge at some point, or at least have good IPC between them, because there is a potential for speed gains

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-18 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:47:14 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: For example, people might think they can start masking cat/pkg[flag]. Is this a replacement for package.use.mask or does it mean something else? I have a sneaking suspicion that if there's not a policy saying no use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-18 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:20:34 + Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote: For example, people might think they can start masking cat/pkg[flag]. Is this a replacement for package.use.mask or does it mean something else? I have a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-18 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sep 18, 2011 12:05 PM, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:20:34 + Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote: As we're talking about updating profiles EAPI, what do we need to get to be able to mask use flags for the stable tree,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-18 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote: As we're talking about updating profiles EAPI, what do we need to get to be able to mask use flags for the stable tree, but not the testing tree? What's wrong with versioned masking of use-flags? The fact

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote: On 18-09-2011 12:59, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: I'm astonished by the large amount of misinformation that is being spread around about systemd. If this originated on the gentoo-user mailing list, I'm

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-18 Thread Zac Medico
On 09/18/2011 07:20 AM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: What other meanings could it have? What would be the problem with moving the package use flag masks from package.use.mask to package.mask? As Ciaran said, these two kinds of masks give two very different behaviors that are not

[gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Duncan
Joost Roeleveld posted on Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:22:42 +0200 as excerpted: On Saturday, September 17, 2011 06:40:03 PM Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 10:36:27AM +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: (The other reason I think systemd and udev might merge at some point, or at least have

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Joost Roeleveld posted on Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:22:42 +0200 as excerpted: I don't see any added benefit from using DBUS on my servers. Interesting question. I hadn't seen the suggestion until this thread, either, and it

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Zac Medico
On 09/18/2011 07:27 AM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: You mean that no Linux users, in particular anyone not running or not wanting to run GNOME and Fedora, shouldn't be worried about the way some people in the GNOME and Fedora community seem intent to impose their ways to everyone else?

[gentoo-dev] Please don't use IUSE=static-libs unless really necessary

2011-09-18 Thread Michał Górny
Hello all, Considering that the 'magical IUSE check' in autotools-utils (and a few other eclasses) is considered broken, and taking Diego's word [1], I'd like to ask you to reconsider your uses of IUSE=static-libs. To be honest, I'd like to remove that magic soon which means that all ebuilds

[gentoo-dev] [PATCH autotools-utils] Deprecate automagic $(use_enable static-libs static).

2011-09-18 Thread Michał Górny
--- eclass/autotools-utils.eclass | 24 1 files changed, 16 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-) diff --git a/eclass/autotools-utils.eclass b/eclass/autotools-utils.eclass index 76ad6fc..489efd9 100644 --- a/eclass/autotools-utils.eclass +++ b/eclass/autotools-utils.eclass @@

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please don't use IUSE=static-libs unless really necessary

2011-09-18 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: [snip] '$(use_enable static-libs static)' themselves. While at it, it may be better to just drop the flag if no other package relies on it and no user has ever requested the static build of that package. I don't see any

Re: [gentoo-dev] euscan proof of concept (like debian's uscan)

2011-09-18 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 3/21/11 1:24 AM, Corentin Chary wrote: I recently started working on a small gentoo utility named euscan (for Ebuild Upstream Scan) For those who don't know debian's uscan, it allows to scan upstream for new versions. It's used by packages.qa.debian.org (example:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please don't use IUSE=static-libs unless really necessary

2011-09-18 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday, September 18, 2011 18:16:30 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Michał Górny wrote: '$(use_enable static-libs static)' themselves. While at it, it may be better to just drop the flag if no other package relies on it and no user has ever requested the static

[gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2011-09-18 23h59 UTC

2011-09-18 Thread Robin H. Johnson
The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed from the tree, for the week ending 2011-09-18 23h59 UTC. Removals: net-libs/libicq2000 2011-09-13 11:39:24 pacho app-portage/meatoo 2011-09-13 11:43:33 pacho

Re: [gentoo-dev] new `usex` helper

2011-09-18 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 04:22 Sun 18 Sep , Brian Harring wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:59:08PM -0500, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 13:43 Fri 16 Sep , Brian Harring wrote: What I said from the getgo and you're missing is that pushing EAPI implementation into the tree and ignoring EAPI, or having this

Re: [gentoo-dev] FEATURES=stricter as a default in developer profile not the best idea

2011-09-18 Thread Rafael Goncalves Martins
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote: TLDR: Let's remove FEATURES=stricter from developer profile, I bet most people have it disabled anyway and it doesn't seem useful. Really, I disabled it. +1 Regards, -- Rafael Goncalves Martins Gentoo Linux