Re: [gentoo-dev] Stability of /sys api

2012-05-15 Thread Olivier Crête
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 01:05 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: I *DON'T WANT* a serious framework, I want a lightweight device manager... period... end of story. Stick with the unix principle of one app doing one thing well. mdev is enough for the vast majority of people. For the people who don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stability of /sys api

2012-05-15 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 01:05 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:   I *DON'T WANT* a serious framework, I want a lightweight device manager... period... end of story.  Stick with the unix principle of one app doing one thing well.  

Re: [gentoo-dev] -Werror unwanted?

2012-05-15 Thread Tony Chainsaw Vroon
On 14/05/12 16:44, hasufell wrote: However, I don't see references to ebuild policy (in devmanual or howtos) how to handle Werror. As can be judged by the title of my patches on the subject, I consider -Werror to be short-sighted at best and idiotic at worst. The next GCC version, which will

[gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due gmsoft concentrating in hppa work

2012-05-15 Thread Pacho Ramos
As talked with him via mail, he will concentrate in hppa work and won't have time to take care of the following packages: net-misc/dibbler net-misc/aiccu Feel free to get them Thanks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

[gentoo-dev] FYI: The default in ~arch is UDisks2 instead of UDisks1 for gvfs, and thus, GNOME and Xfce (/media vs. /run/media/$user)

2012-05-15 Thread Samuli Suominen
What has changed: make.defaults of targets/desktop/ is enabling USE=udisks upower and NOT enabling USE=gdu package.use of targets/desktop/ is enabling USE=gdu for older gnome-base/gvfs versions (as in, stable versions) What it means: =gnome-base/gvfs-1.12 will use UDisks2 instead of

Re: [gentoo-dev] -Werror unwanted?

2012-05-15 Thread Kacper Kowalik
On 15.05.2012 13:29, Tony Chainsaw Vroon wrote: On 14/05/12 16:44, hasufell wrote: However, I don't see references to ebuild policy (in devmanual or howtos) how to handle Werror. As can be judged by the title of my patches on the subject, I consider -Werror to be short-sighted at best and

Re: [gentoo-dev] -Werror unwanted?

2012-05-15 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 15 May 2012 07:29:36 Tony Chainsaw Vroon wrote: On 14/05/12 16:44, hasufell wrote: However, I don't see references to ebuild policy (in devmanual or howtos) how to handle Werror. As can be judged by the title of my patches on the subject, I consider -Werror to be short-sighted

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due gmsoft concentrating in hppa work

2012-05-15 Thread Amadeusz Żołnowski
Excerpts from Pacho Ramos's message of 2012-05-15 13:33:04 +0200: net-misc/aiccu I can take this one. -- Amadeusz Żołnowski signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due gmsoft concentrating in hppa work

2012-05-15 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/15/2012 12:33 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: [..] net-misc/dibbler I will take it - -- Regards, Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stability of /sys api

2012-05-15 Thread Greg KH
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 04:56:15AM +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:23 AM, Greg KH gre...@gentoo.org wrote: We learned that this is not a good idea at all, and should be left to userspace helper applications that listen for dbus messages. Could you perhaps expand a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stability of /sys api

2012-05-15 Thread Greg KH
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 01:55:23AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 06:23:36PM -0700, Greg KH wrote So you need to implement stuff such that you are not dependant on the bus type. If you see a new disk, act on it, it's that simple. But note, please do not be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stability of /sys api

2012-05-15 Thread Greg KH
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 01:05:57AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 04:56:15AM +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote I don't know at what state udev was 3 or 4 years ago, but mdev can: 1. Populate /dev (now unnecessary due to devtmpfs). 2. Handle ownership, permissions and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stability of /sys api

2012-05-15 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Greg KH gre...@gentoo.org wrote: I know of no such problem with udisks, have you reported them to the upstream developers? As I said, it's just what I hear — perhaps it's the usual retrograde whining. I should probably just try udisks-glue, the only issue I see

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stability of /sys api

2012-05-15 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 02:32:57AM -0400, Olivier Cr?te wrote On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 01:05 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: I *DON'T WANT* a serious framework, I want a lightweight device manager... period... end of story. Stick with the unix principle of one app doing one thing well. mdev is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stability of /sys api

2012-05-15 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:59 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 02:32:57AM -0400, Olivier Cr?te wrote On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 01:05 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:   I *DON'T WANT* a serious framework, I want a lightweight device manager... period... end of story.  

[gentoo-dev] RFC: Enable FEATURES=config-protect-if-modified by default?

2012-05-15 Thread Zac Medico
Hi, In case you aren't familiar with it, here's the description from the make.conf(5) man page: This causes the CONFIG_PROTECT behavior to be skipped for files that have not been modified since they were installed. I think it would be a good idea to enable this by default, but I thought I'd

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stability of /sys api

2012-05-15 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:26:03AM -0700, Greg KH wrote On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 01:55:23AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: After some more Google-searching. it looks like the official channels way is via /etc/mdev.conf. Note that this is on a system with busybox[mdev] and no udev.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stability of /sys api

2012-05-15 Thread Stelian Ionescu
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 18:38 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:26:03AM -0700, Greg KH wrote What specifically is your objection to udev today? Is it doing things you don't like? Too big? Something else? Today, it requires an initramfs if /usr is not physically on /.

[gentoo-dev] latest commits to dev-lang/go

2012-05-15 Thread William Hubbs
All, I know my latest commits to dev-lang/go haven't updated the ChangeLog. I got into the habbit of using repoman commit -[Mm] to do that, but for some reason that stopped working. I will use echangelog from this ponit until I hear that repoman commit has been fixed. Thanks, William

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stability of /sys api

2012-05-15 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:44:59AM +0200, Stelian Ionescu wrote On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 18:38 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:26:03AM -0700, Greg KH wrote What specifically is your objection to udev today? Is it doing things you don't like? Too big? Something else?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stability of /sys api

2012-05-15 Thread Walter Dnes
I asked what I thought was a simple developer-type question. I don't want this to become a public flamewar. If anybody wants to discuss the issue with me further, please email directly to me and not the list. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] latest commits to dev-lang/go

2012-05-15 Thread William Hubbs
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 06:37:39PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote: All, I know my latest commits to dev-lang/go haven't updated the ChangeLog. I got into the habbit of using repoman commit -[Mm] to do that, but for some reason that stopped working. I will use echangelog from this ponit

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stability of /sys api

2012-05-15 Thread William Hubbs
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 07:51:03PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:44:59AM +0200, Stelian Ionescu wrote On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 18:38 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:26:03AM -0700, Greg KH wrote What specifically is your objection to udev today?

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Enable FEATURES=config-protect-if-modified by default?

2012-05-15 Thread Duncan
Zac Medico posted on Tue, 15 May 2012 15:24:53 -0700 as excerpted: Hi, In case you aren't familiar with it, here's the description from the make.conf(5) man page: This causes the CONFIG_PROTECT behavior to be skipped for files that have not been modified since they were installed.

Re: [gentoo-dev] latest commits to dev-lang/go

2012-05-15 Thread Matt Turner
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:07 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 06:37:39PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote: All, I know my latest commits to dev-lang/go haven't updated the ChangeLog. I got into the habbit of using repoman commit -[Mm] to do that, but for some

Re: [gentoo-dev] latest commits to dev-lang/go

2012-05-15 Thread William Hubbs
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:15:28PM -0400, Matt Turner wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:07 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 06:37:39PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote: All, I know my latest commits to dev-lang/go haven't updated the ChangeLog. I got into

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stability of /sys api

2012-05-15 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 16 May 2012 05:21, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:44:59AM +0200, Stelian Ionescu wrote On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 18:38 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:26:03AM -0700, Greg KH wrote What specifically is your objection to udev today?  Is

Re: [gentoo-dev] latest commits to dev-lang/go

2012-05-15 Thread Zac Medico
On 05/15/2012 08:54 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:15:28PM -0400, Matt Turner wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:07 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 06:37:39PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote: All, I know my latest commits to dev-lang/go

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stability of /sys api

2012-05-15 Thread Luca Barbato
On 15/05/12 21:07, Arun Raghavan wrote: 1) Did you sleep through the /usr and initramfs flamewars? http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken You seem to have missed the bit that this has nothing at all to do with systemd. I guess the systemd in the url might be