Re: [gentoo-dev] PostgreSQL Status

2008-04-18 Thread Luca Barbato
Enrico Weigelt wrote: * Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: Tiziano Müller wrote: What do the new ebuilds offer: a) A split into dev-db/postgresql-{base,server,docs}. WRONG we aren't debian. It's bad, just because Debian does it ?! Sounds quite religions to me. I don't like religions i

Re: [gentoo-dev] PostgreSQL Status

2008-04-17 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:15 AM, Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Nirbheek Chauhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > Manuals, yes, documentation, not necessarily. Documentation is often > > *built* from the source code, or it's source is included with the > > package source code and d

Re: [gentoo-dev] PostgreSQL Status

2008-04-17 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Nirbheek Chauhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Manuals, yes, documentation, not necessarily. Documentation is often > *built* from the source code, or it's source is included with the > package source code and docs are generated at compile-time. ACK. But we first should define what's "just do

Re: [gentoo-dev] PostgreSQL Status

2008-04-17 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Nirbheek Chauhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > I personally have no opinion about the -base and -server split, since > > I do not know enough about it. But I am firmly against the -docs split > > since the doc USE

Re: [gentoo-dev] PostgreSQL Status

2008-04-17 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Nirbheek Chauhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > Would be different if you'd said "we don't need to split since we > > have useflags" or "we want to stay as near to upstream as possible" > > instead of "we're not debian". Being different, just to be > > different is really too pubertal for

Re: [gentoo-dev] PostgreSQL Status

2008-04-17 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Nirbheek Chauhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > > > > It's bad, just because Debian does it ?! > > > > Yes, because their technical design is different from Gentoo's. > > Still too religious ;-P Of course, that'

Re: [gentoo-dev] PostgreSQL Status

2008-04-17 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Nirbheek Chauhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > It's bad, just because Debian does it ?! > > Yes, because their technical design is different from Gentoo's. Still too religious ;-P Would be different if you'd said "we don't need to split since we have useflags" or "we want to stay as near

Re: [gentoo-dev] PostgreSQL Status

2008-04-17 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > > Tiziano Müller wrote: > > >What do the new ebuilds offer: > > >a) A split into dev-db/postgresql-{base,server,docs}. > > > > WRONG we aren't debian. > > It's bad, jus

Re: [gentoo-dev] PostgreSQL Status

2008-04-17 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Tiziano Müller wrote: > >What do the new ebuilds offer: > >a) A split into dev-db/postgresql-{base,server,docs}. > > WRONG we aren't debian. It's bad, just because Debian does it ?! Sounds quite religions to me. I don't like religions interfering with

Re: [gentoo-dev] PostgreSQL Status

2008-04-17 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Tiziano Müller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: Hi, > Since my blog doesn't get syndicated on planet.gentoo.org I'm posting the > entry here again, but it's probably a good idea anyway: Actually, I'd clearly prefer lists like this one for those discussions. Blogs are okay for writing journal artic

Re: [gentoo-dev] PostgreSQL Status

2008-04-17 Thread Luca Barbato
Tiziano Müller wrote: What do the new ebuilds offer: a) A split into dev-db/postgresql-{base,server,docs}. WRONG we aren't debian. we have a nice use for documentation... Now, I know that splitting up packages isn't the Gentoo way. I know we could have done it using USE flags but this approa

Re: [gentoo-dev] PostgreSQL Status

2008-04-16 Thread Carsten Lohrke
> c) Upgrading between major versions of PostgreSQL requires the DB admin to > bump the database using the old version, moving the database away and to > reload the dump into a new database cluster using the new version of > PostgreSQL. Having to take down the old server and purging the old version

Re: [gentoo-dev] PostgreSQL Status

2008-04-16 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 09:55 Wed 16 Apr , Tiziano Müller wrote: > What do the new ebuilds offer: > a) A split into dev-db/postgresql-{base,server,docs}. Now, I know that > splitting up packages isn't the Gentoo way. I know we could have done it > using USE flags but this approach gives more flexibility due to the

[gentoo-dev] PostgreSQL Status

2008-04-16 Thread Tiziano Müller
Since my blog doesn't get syndicated on planet.gentoo.org I'm posting the entry here again, but it's probably a good idea anyway: First I want to apologize for the current situation. I know we're lagging behind and I know that bugs are piling up. As a small excuse I can only say that my time is li