Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > On 01/10/2012 17:51, Gregory M. Turner wrote: >> >> Anyhow, I get it: administering the vcs for a huge project such as >> Gentoo is very hard work. If I somehow gave some other impression, I'm >> sorry. Perhaps Rich and I insensitively

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 01/10/2012 17:51, Gregory M. Turner wrote: > > Anyhow, I get it: administering the vcs for a huge project such as > Gentoo is very hard work. If I somehow gave some other impression, I'm > sorry. Perhaps Rich and I insensitively voiced our shared assumption > that Gentoo's continued reliance

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Gregory M. Turner
If you're going to paint me and the other folks expressing opinions as entitled mouth-breathers, certainly you can't expect not to hear any reply because it's "off-topic"! On 10/1/2012 2:00 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On 01/10/2012 13:54, Rich Freeman wrote: I don't think we can keep the di

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 01/10/2012 15:53, Peter Stuge wrote: >> > Then you probably don't know half the Gentoo developers > I think they are the ones who should fork. :) Unfortunately the problem is that they tend to linger around even after forking... -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — h

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Peter Stuge
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > > Another idea I have, besides the go-ahead+fix what breaks, is that > > after everything has broken, Gentoo developers will not be spamming > > this mailing list like three-year-olds screaming rude complaints > > about how things do not work and calling infra bad names,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 01/10/2012 15:21, Peter Stuge wrote: > Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: >> With all due respect, > .. >> you calling for shutdown dates > .. > all without changing a stupid subject > line to at least show you're no longer speaking about the original topic > (it's not like people can be psychic that yo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Peter Stuge
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > With all due respect, .. > you calling for shutdown dates .. > is obnoxious. I don't know about respectful, but oh well.. Another idea I have, besides the go-ahead+fix what breaks, is that after everything has broken, Gentoo developers will not be spamming this mailin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 01/10/2012 14:41, Peter Stuge wrote: > Noone said it's easy. «This just strikes me as something that is about at the point where we could "just do it."» This was Rich at 11.29 Pacific Time. > Several said it needs to just-be-done, without further consensus. > I support that. Everyone also agr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Peter Stuge
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > Honestly, this whole thread, with the exception of Rafael, makes me > facepalm incredibly, because everybody is saying "it's easy!" > without asking the people who have done the work up to now and will > have to manage it. Noone said it's easy. Please don't put words i

[gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 01/10/2012 13:54, Rich Freeman wrote: > I don't think we can keep the discussion off -dev forever though. It > seems like we're close to being able to implement, which means lots of > changes that impact all devs. I can't imagine that we'd want to > implement that without some kind of council