Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion: alternative compatible utilities

2005-07-05 Thread Martin Schlemmer
On Tue, 2005-06-21 at 14:45 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote: > Azarah wrote:[Sat Jun 18 2005, 07:23:19AM EDT] > > You might however say install all gnuish tools with the 'g' prefix, > > and then install wrapper scripts/stubs into say /usr/bin/gnu/ or > > /bin/gnu/ (with /usr/bin/gnu/find calling gfind, e

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion: alternative compatible utilities

2005-06-21 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Tuesday 21 June 2005 20:42, Aron Griffis wrote: > In other words, I think you need to do some work in an overlay so that > you can present a real list of affected ebuilds and utilites, rather > than stating that you "don't really know" Well this was just a discussion, no work should really start

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion: alternative compatible utilities

2005-06-21 Thread Aron Griffis
Azarah wrote:[Sat Jun 18 2005, 07:23:19AM EDT] > You might however say install all gnuish tools with the 'g' prefix, > and then install wrapper scripts/stubs into say /usr/bin/gnu/ or > /bin/gnu/ (with /usr/bin/gnu/find calling gfind, etc), and portage > just adds this path as the first path to $PA

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion: alternative compatible utilities

2005-06-21 Thread Aron Griffis
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:[Fri Jun 17 2005, 10:05:32AM EDT] > On Friday 17 June 2005 04:32, Aron Griffis wrote: > > Before working on a solution to the problem, could we get a more > > complete list of the tools in question? This has come up before but > > the list seems to always end with "

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion: alternative compatible utilities

2005-06-18 Thread Martin Schlemmer
Hi, I am probably going to be top on the bsd camp's 'most hated list' after this, but here goes ... The more I think on Gentoo/, the more I tend to get this picture of a little boy that wants to play with the older boys, but are constantly in tears, as the older boys runs too fast for him, or go

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion: alternative compatible utilities

2005-06-17 Thread Grant Goodyear
Aron Griffis wrote: [Thu Jun 16 2005, 09:32:26PM CDT] > I don't think that switching to g-prefixed commands for GNU utilities > is a good answer. We aren't going to be able to push that upstream, > which means maintaining a lot of patches ourselves. Within our own > developer body, we're going to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion: alternative compatible utilities

2005-06-17 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Friday 17 June 2005 04:32, Aron Griffis wrote: > Before working on a solution to the problem, could we get a more > complete list of the tools in question? This has come up before but > the list seems to always end with "etc etc" ;-) Because I don't really know how many applications are availab

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion: alternative compatible utilities

2005-06-17 Thread Aron Griffis
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:[Thu Jun 16 2005, 01:57:14AM EDT] > Let me explain: on Gentoo/Linux systems, all the base utilities > (make, tar, sed, etc etc) are GNUish Before working on a solution to the problem, could we get a more complete list of the tools in question? This has come up befo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion: alternative compatible utilities

2005-06-16 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Don't attempt to ignore the complexity because it sucks and gives you a headache. The complexity of multiple kernels, userlands, arches and platforms exists whether you like it or not. The key being the management of the complexity. Currently the to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion: alternative compatible utilities

2005-06-16 Thread Dan Meltzer
Well it would be nice to have it all abstracted, wouldn't stablizing a package get exponetially harder? Not only would each arch need to be tested, each combination of packages on each arch would need to be tested, if FEX openpam became usable on linux instead of just linuxpam, each arch that stabl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion: alternative compatible utilities

2005-06-16 Thread Luca Barbato
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > Let me explain: on Gentoo/Linux systems, all the base utilities (make, tar, > sed, etc etc) are GNUish; on Gentoo/FreeBSD they are BSDish; on Gentoo/Darwin > I don't really know :P > This limits a bit the user because to use other kind of utilities it must use

[gentoo-dev] Discussion: alternative compatible utilities

2005-06-15 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
As Gentoo/FreeBSD proceeds, I'm trying to abstract as much as I can the underlying userland. Thinking of Gentoo/FreeBSD just as a starting point for other porting of Gentoo's framework on different operating systems (for example the already-work-in-progress Gentoo/Darwin, the I-don't-know-how's-