Re: [gentoo-dev] The Plethora of Patches

2008-08-18 Thread Rémi Cardona
Andrew D Kirch a écrit : Here's the script that I used to generate this. I have not manually reviewed all of thousands of patches to determine the unique situation of each patch, however I would like a suggestion on how to demonstrate _real_ statistics short of auditing each and every patch

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Plethora of Patches

2008-08-18 Thread Tobias Scherbaum
Santiago M. Mola wrote: I think that's all we need in order to know how were things when the patch was added and if it needs to be pushed/tracked upstream, removed in the next version of the package, etc. Some of us already put these kind of headers, or at least an URL to upstream bug or a

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Plethora of Patches

2008-08-18 Thread Santiago M. Mola
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Tobias Scherbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Santiago M. Mola wrote: However, tracking the status of every patch since its inclusion in portage until it's removed would be a huge work overhead... and I doubt it's worthy. I don't think it's a huge work

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Plethora of Patches

2008-08-18 Thread Tobias Scherbaum
Santiago M. Mola wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Tobias Scherbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Santiago M. Mola wrote: However, tracking the status of every patch since its inclusion in portage until it's removed would be a huge work overhead... and I doubt it's worthy. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Plethora of Patches

2008-08-15 Thread Josh Saddler
Andrew D Kirch wrote: Denis Dupeyron wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Andrew D Kirch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Looks like you counted the number of files in the files/ subdirectories. Not all of these are patches. Also, you probably forgot to count seds, as some of us use sed more

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Plethora of Patches

2008-08-14 Thread Rémi Cardona
Andrew D Kirch wrote: Obviously the software needs to work, and therefore we need patches, but Gentoo has not done enough to date to get them pushed upstream. Lets look at some cringeworthy statistics on outstanding patches. Have you even _looked_ at the patches? Can you tell which ones are :

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Plethora of Patches

2008-08-14 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Andrew D Kirch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Looks like you counted the number of files in the files/ subdirectories. Not all of these are patches. Also, you probably forgot to count seds, as some of us use sed more than patches. Oh, and like Jeremy was hinting,

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Plethora of Patches

2008-08-14 Thread Luca Barbato
Andrew D Kirch wrote: [...patches...] Common practice is to work with upstream (if alive) and have the patches merged asap. Nothing _that_ strange IMHO. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo Council Member Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Plethora of Patches

2008-08-14 Thread Jeremy Olexa
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:00 AM, Andrew D Kirch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeremy Olexa wrote: Andrew D Kirch wrote: snip all Good points, I take it that you have found a mentor and are becoming a dev to drive this project then? -Jeremy I've spoken in the past with both Elfyn McBratney,

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Plethora of Patches

2008-08-14 Thread Santiago M. Mola
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Andrew D Kirch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patches in the metadata.xml should have some sort of status tracking for each patch, repoman should flag any that don't, and warn on any that have not been submitted upstream unless the status is signed off on by a herd

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Plethora of Patches

2008-08-14 Thread Mario Fetka
Am Donnerstag, 14. August 2008 17:24:41 schrieb Santiago M. Mola: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Andrew D Kirch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patches in the metadata.xml should have some sort of status tracking for each patch, repoman should flag any that don't, and warn on any that have not

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Plethora of Patches

2008-08-14 Thread Andrew D Kirch
Rémi Cardona wrote: Andrew D Kirch wrote: Obviously the software needs to work, and therefore we need patches, but Gentoo has not done enough to date to get them pushed upstream. Lets look at some cringeworthy statistics on outstanding patches. Have you even _looked_ at the patches? Can you

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Plethora of Patches

2008-08-14 Thread Andrew D Kirch
Denis Dupeyron wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Andrew D Kirch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Looks like you counted the number of files in the files/ subdirectories. Not all of these are patches. Also, you probably forgot to count seds, as some of us use sed more than patches. Oh, and

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Plethora of Patches

2008-08-14 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:55:12AM -0400, Andrew D Kirch wrote: Here's the script that I used to generate this. I have not manually reviewed all of thousands of patches to determine the unique situation of each patch, however I would like a suggestion on how to demonstrate _real_

[gentoo-dev] The Plethora of Patches

2008-08-13 Thread Andrew D Kirch
It has become abundantly clear that distribution maintainers should have as few patches as possible. Patches waste time due to duplicate work, resources (portage disk space and bandwidth), and as the Debian project recently found out after a major vulnerability was discovered in the OpenSSH

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Plethora of Patches

2008-08-13 Thread Jeremy Olexa
Andrew D Kirch wrote: snip all Good points, I take it that you have found a mentor and are becoming a dev to drive this project then? -Jeremy