Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-21 Thread Doug Goldstein
Marius Mauch wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:01:28 -0400 Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olivier Crête wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 18:01 -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote: This brings out the fun of circular depends. I don't really know how to address this but a lot of

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-21 Thread Marius Mauch
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:02:57 -0400 Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marius Mauch wrote: Now that's a big exaggeration. It _might_ be missing from world updates (there are still many cases where it will be included), but that's not the only available operation in portage. Marius

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-21 Thread Doug Goldstein
Marius Mauch wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:02:57 -0400 Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marius Mauch wrote: Now that's a big exaggeration. It _might_ be missing from world updates (there are still many cases where it will be included), but that's not the only available

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-19 Thread Markus Rothe
Robert Bridge wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:30:20 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO it would be better to teach users to explicitly specify '@system' during updates, e.g. `emerge -uDN @system @world`. Why not just re-instate the implicit dependency

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-19 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Markus Rothe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Bridge wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:30:20 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO it would be better to teach users to explicitly specify '@system' during updates, e.g. `emerge

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-18 Thread Doug Goldstein
Olivier Crête wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 18:01 -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote: This brings out the fun of circular depends. I don't really know how to address this but a lot of packages are going to have to be updated to contain proper depends. i.e. C based apps will need

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-18 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2008-07-18 16:01:28 Doug Goldstein napisał(a): Olivier Cr�te wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 18:01 -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote: This brings out the fun of circular depends. I don't really know how to address this but a lot of packages are going to have to be updated to contain proper

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-18 Thread Richard Freeman
Doug Goldstein wrote: Yes. Adding libc everywhere is wrong. However, if you don't have one of the packages listed here [1], your libc won't ever update. Sure it will. When the version of libc you have installed is removed from the portage tree you'll get bumped to the most recent

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-18 Thread Robert Bridge
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:30:20 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO it would be better to teach users to explicitly specify '@system' during updates, e.g. `emerge -uDN @system @world`. Why not just re-instate the implicit dependency of world on system? Rob. --

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-18 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:01:28 -0400 Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olivier Crête wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 18:01 -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote: This brings out the fun of circular depends. I don't really know how to address this but a lot of packages are going to have to be

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-18 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:21:24 +0100 Robert Bridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:30:20 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO it would be better to teach users to explicitly specify '@system' during updates, e.g. `emerge -uDN @system

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-16 Thread Olivier Crête
On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 18:01 -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote: This brings out the fun of circular depends. I don't really know how to address this but a lot of packages are going to have to be updated to contain proper depends. i.e. C based apps will need RDEPEND=virtual/libc. C++ packages will

[gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-14 Thread Doug Goldstein
With the new split in Portage where system set packages are not considered in an emerge -auDNv world unless something in world RDEPENDs on it brings about a few issues. i.e. Portage implicitly has a run time dependency on app-arch/tar, app-arch/bzip2, app-arch/gzip, app-arch/lzma due to the