Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

Hi anoteros, anote...@teknik.io writes: > Having used Gentoo for a few years now, one thing that has been > annoying to me is the tremendous duplication of effort and uphill > battle of creating ebuilds (build recipes) for language-specific > packages that already have their own build systems. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 14:55:43 -0600 R0b0t1 wrote: > I think you missed my point: Why are they easier to use? Because it decouples your projects requirements from your OS and Vendor requirements. This becomes really useful if your OS/Vendor wishes to upgrade things and force

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 11:06:47 -0500 anote...@teknik.io wrote: > Having used Gentoo for a few years now, one thing that has been annoying > to me is the tremendous duplication of effort and uphill battle of > creating ebuilds (build recipes) for language-specific packages that > already have their

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 3:11 PM, R0b0t1 wrote: > On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Alec Warner wrote: >> The containers are nominally stateless, so there is less chance of 'gunk' >> building up and surprising me later. It also makes the lifecycle simpler. >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Alec Warner wrote: > The containers are nominally stateless, so there is less chance of 'gunk' > building up and surprising me later. It also makes the lifecycle simpler. > > Obviously its somewhat harder for stateful services (databases, etc.)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Alec Warner wrote: > > In contrast with disposable containers: > > Automated build process for my containers. > > If there is a bug in the build, I can throw my buggy containers away and > build new ones. > > Containers are encouraged to be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:44 AM, R0b0t1 wrote: > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 3:55 PM, R0b0t1 wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:15 PM, Alec Warner wrote: > >>> > >>>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:00 PM, R0b0t1 wrote: > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> If you have util-linux installed then try running (as any user - you >> don't have to be root): >> unshare -i -m -n -p -u -C -f --mount-proc -U -r

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > If you have util-linux installed then try running (as any user - you > don't have to be root): > unshare -i -m -n -p -u -C -f --mount-proc -U -r /bin/bash > Interesting. I hadn't found a good interface to containers and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 11:06:47 -0500 anote...@teknik.io wrote: > Having used Gentoo for a few years now, one thing that has been annoying > to me is the tremendous duplication of effort and uphill battle of > creating ebuilds (build recipes) for language-specific packages that > already have their

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:44 AM, R0b0t1 wrote: > > I think I was equating containers to Docker as well. My point was > instead of trying to manage dependencies, containers allow people to > shove everything into an empty root with no conflicts. The > enthusiastic blog post seems

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 3:55 PM, R0b0t1 wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:15 PM, Alec Warner wrote: >>> >>> Because containers are awesome and are way easier to use. >>> >> >> I think

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

On 03/07/2018 11:06 AM, anote...@teknik.io wrote: > It seems reasonable to me to 'hook' portage into these > other package managers, so that running 'emerge bar' > would actually run 'cabal install bar' rather than > downloading sources and running 'ghc'. it gets tricky when there's no good way

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

On 03/08/2018 07:25 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 03/08/2018 12:54 AM, Benda Xu wrote: >> >> This title itself is amusing enough >> >> Motherfuckers need package management >> > > Which if it is not clear, is intended to be funny. > > the colorful language was proportional to the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

On 03/08/2018 12:54 AM, Benda Xu wrote: > > This title itself is amusing enough > > Motherfuckers need package management > Which if it is not clear, is intended to be funny.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

2018-03-08 3:38 GMT+01:00 Benda Xu : > Dear Rich, > > Rich Freeman writes: > > > Everybody I know has these sorts of complaints about language-based > > PMs, whether they prefer Ubuntu, or Debian, or CentOS, or whatever. > > Nobody wants random programs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

Hi Folks, Michael Orlitzky writes: > These other package managers don't solve any hard problems -- they're > basically a fancy interface around wget and "git clone." Portage on the > other hand has ~20 years of good ideas and hard work on the hard > problems in package

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

Dear Rich, Rich Freeman writes: > Everybody I know has these sorts of complaints about language-based > PMs, whether they prefer Ubuntu, or Debian, or CentOS, or whatever. > Nobody wants random programs downloading random stuff and dropping > orphan files all over their

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 3:55 PM, R0b0t1 wrote: > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:15 PM, Alec Warner wrote: >> >> Because containers are awesome and are way easier to use. >> > > I think you missed my point: Why are they easier to use? > I suspect that he was

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:15 PM, Alec Warner wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:22 PM, R0b0t1 wrote: >> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:52 AM, Alec Warner wrote: >> > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:51 AM, Michael Orlitzky >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 3:12 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 03/07/2018 12:52 PM, Alec Warner wrote: > > > > I'm really not happy with the tone of this email, so I'm going to > > comment on it a bit. > > > > Ok, it would have benefited from a do-I-sound-like-a-dick proofread. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

On 03/07/2018 12:52 PM, Alec Warner wrote: > > I'm really not happy with the tone of this email, so I'm going to > comment on it a bit. >   Ok, it would have benefited from a do-I-sound-like-a-dick proofread. I don't want to sound discouraging because this is an area with lots of room for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:22 PM, R0b0t1 wrote: > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:52 AM, Alec Warner wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:51 AM, Michael Orlitzky > wrote: > >> > >> On 03/07/2018 11:06 AM, anote...@teknik.io wrote: > >> > Why

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 12:52 PM, Alec Warner wrote: > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Perl/g-cpan is a project is in a > similar space and basically reads perl CPAN metadata to generate stub > ebuilds. > Portage tracks these stub ebuilds (and so for example, it tracks

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:52 AM, Alec Warner wrote: > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:51 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >> >> On 03/07/2018 11:06 AM, anote...@teknik.io wrote: >> > Why should portage download some outdated second copy of the >> > sources for 'bar',

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:51 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 03/07/2018 11:06 AM, anote...@teknik.io wrote: > > Why should portage download some outdated second copy of the > > sources for 'bar', rebuild it, and scatter it around the file system > > where it cannot be used by

Re: [gentoo-dev] Integrating Portage with other package managers

On 03/07/2018 11:06 AM, anote...@teknik.io wrote: > Why should portage download some outdated second copy of the > sources for 'bar', rebuild it, and scatter it around the file system > where it cannot be used by other programs installed by cabal? These other package managers don't solve any hard