Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Lastrite: app-pda/libopensync and reverse dependencies

2011-02-11 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
On Thursday 10 February 2011 22:57:41 Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: [snip] Repeat after me: Politeness and professional courtesy is an integral part of our QA team policy. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/

[gentoo-dev] Downgrading glibc?

2011-02-11 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Hello! In relation to bug 354395 [1] I would like to downgrade my glibc back to 2.12.2. Portage doesn't allow me to do that: * Sanity check to keep you from breaking your system: * Downgrading glibc is not supported and a sure way to destruction * ERROR: sys-libs/glibc-2.12.2 failed (setup

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Lastrite: app-pda/libopensync and reverse dependencies

2011-02-11 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Il giorno ven, 11/02/2011 alle 09.17 +0100, Andreas K. Huettel ha scritto: Repeat after me: Politeness and professional courtesy is an integral part of our QA team policy. Politeness is due where politeness is received. If you keep second-guessing QA team, without looking at the packages

[gentoo-dev] Re: Downgrading glibc?

2011-02-11 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Il giorno ven, 11/02/2011 alle 09.50 +0100, Sebastian Pipping ha scritto: Can anyone guide me or point me to a guide how to savely do that manually? There really isn't a safe way as soon as you built anything at all against the new version. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes

[gentoo-dev] Re: Downgrading glibc?

2011-02-11 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Il giorno ven, 11/02/2011 alle 10.55 +0100, Michael Haubenwallner ha scritto: what do you think of working around the memcpy troubles with glibc-2.13 by simply redirecting memcpy to memmove within glibc, either unconditionally or optional/temporary (via USE-flag?) until everyone uses

[gentoo-dev] Re: Downgrading glibc?

2011-02-11 Thread Duncan
Diego Elio Pettenò posted on Fri, 11 Feb 2011 10:22:44 +0100 as excerpted: Il giorno ven, 11/02/2011 alle 09.50 +0100, Sebastian Pipping ha scritto: Can anyone guide me or point me to a guide how to savely do that manually? There really isn't a safe way as soon as you built anything at

Re: [gentoo-dev] Downgrading glibc?

2011-02-11 Thread Sebastian Pipping
A little update from my side: I was abe to downgrade glibc to 2.12.2 and my sound problem [1] is now gone again! If it's not glibc itself, it's one of the packages re-installed after (again, see [1] for the list). If anyone considers masking glibc 2.13 for now: please take my vote. Best,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Downgrading glibc?

2011-02-11 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 2/11/11 10:55 AM, Michael Haubenwallner wrote: what do you think of working around the memcpy troubles with glibc-2.13 by simply redirecting memcpy to memmove within glibc, either unconditionally or optional/temporary (via USE-flag?) until everyone uses memmove where necessary? I'm not a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Downgrading glibc?

2011-02-11 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 2/11/11 1:06 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: I was abe to downgrade glibc to 2.12.2 and my sound problem [1] is now gone again! Just curious, what downgrade method did you use? Just untaring an older glibc package? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

[gentoo-dev] Re: Downgrading glibc?

2011-02-11 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Il giorno ven, 11/02/2011 alle 13.06 +0100, Sebastian Pipping ha scritto: If anyone considers masking glibc 2.13 for now: please take my vote. It should have been masked _beforehand_, masking it now is going to cause more trouble. Remember: unless you're able to rebuild everything that was

Re: [gentoo-dev] Downgrading glibc?

2011-02-11 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 02/11/11 13:26, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: Just curious, what downgrade method did you use? Just untaring an older glibc package? This is what I did: 0) Log out of X, log in to root console 1) Collect packages emerged after previous update to glibc from files in PORT_LOGDIR (using

Re: [gentoo-dev] Downgrading glibc?

2011-02-11 Thread Michael Haubenwallner
On 02/11/2011 01:20 PM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: On 2/11/11 10:55 AM, Michael Haubenwallner wrote: what do you think of working around the memcpy troubles with glibc-2.13 by simply redirecting memcpy to memmove within glibc, either unconditionally or optional/temporary (via USE-flag?) until

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Downgrading glibc?

2011-02-11 Thread Michael Haubenwallner
On 02/11/2011 11:12 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: Il giorno ven, 11/02/2011 alle 10.55 +0100, Michael Haubenwallner ha scritto: what do you think of working around the memcpy troubles with glibc-2.13 by simply redirecting memcpy to memmove within glibc, either unconditionally or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Downgrading glibc?

2011-02-11 Thread Michiel de Bruijne
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@gmail.com wrote: Il giorno ven, 11/02/2011 alle 13.06 +0100, Sebastian Pipping ha scritto: If anyone considers masking glibc 2.13 for now: please take my vote. It should have been masked _beforehand_, masking it now is going to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Downgrading glibc?

2011-02-11 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 02/11/2011 01:27 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: It should have been masked _beforehand_, masking it now is going to cause more trouble. Portage will propose a downgrade of glibc on emerge-update-world, okay. How bad would that be? Does it cause any other trouble? Remember: unless you're

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Downgrading glibc?

2011-02-11 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Il giorno ven, 11/02/2011 alle 15.37 +0100, Sebastian Pipping ha scritto: Portage will propose a downgrade of glibc on emerge-update-world, okay. How bad would that be? Does it cause any other trouble? And glibc will refuse to downgrade unless you hack the ebuild. Now let's say that the user

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Downgrading glibc?

2011-02-11 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Il giorno ven, 11/02/2011 alle 14.23 +0100, Michael Haubenwallner ha scritto: But both that document as well as uncountable lines of source code are rather old. While the source code isn't that large a problem for Gentoo, existing binaries without source code still are. Beside flash what

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Downgrading glibc?

2011-02-11 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 02/11/2011 05:13 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: Il giorno ven, 11/02/2011 alle 15.37 +0100, Sebastian Pipping ha scritto: Portage will propose a downgrade of glibc on emerge-update-world, okay. How bad would that be? Does it cause any other trouble? And glibc will refuse to downgrade

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Lastrite: app-pda/libopensync and reverse dependencies

2011-02-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 10:23:19 +0100 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@gmail.com wrote: Politeness is due where politeness is received. If you keep second-guessing QA team, without looking at the packages at all (see Samuli's mail) you're not going to receive any. Sorry, but that violates the devrel

[gentoo-dev] libpng-1.5 smooth upgrade

2011-02-11 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
I'm not a member of QA team or libpng maintainer, but hopefully I'm not going to write something horribly wrong here. To ensure good upgrade experience for our users, and learning some lessons from previous, um... disruptive upgrade (1.2 - 1.4), I'd have some questions: 1) Are we going to have a

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpng-1.5 smooth upgrade

2011-02-11 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 02/11/2011 06:38 PM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: I'm not a member of QA team or libpng maintainer, but hopefully I'm not going to write something horribly wrong here. To ensure good upgrade experience for our users, and learning some lessons from previous, um... disruptive upgrade (1.2 -

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpng-1.5 smooth upgrade

2011-02-11 Thread Michael Haubenwallner
On 02/11/2011 05:38 PM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: To ensure good upgrade experience for our users, and learning some lessons from previous, um... disruptive upgrade (1.2 - 1.4), I'd have some questions: FWIW: For that upgrade I've not used lafile-fixer or anything like that on my stable x86

[gentoo-dev] Re: libpng-1.5 smooth upgrade

2011-02-11 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Il giorno ven, 11/02/2011 alle 17.38 +0100, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. ha scritto: 1) Are we going to have a tinderbox run *before* libpng-1.5 gets keyworded? Absolutely. 2) If the upgrade is non-trivial, i.e. just emerge -uDNa world and revdep-rebuild isn't going to fix it, will we have an upgrade

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-misc/magicdev

2011-02-11 Thread Pacho Ramos
# Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org (11 Feb 2011) # Upstream dead since a lot of time, still using gnome-vfs and # other deprecated stuff, replaced by udisks, udisks-glue, # udiskie or gvfs. Removal in 30 days. app-misc/magicdev signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Policy for conflicting USE flags

2011-02-11 Thread Zac Medico
On 02/09/2011 03:11 PM, Zac Medico wrote: In order to try to avoid forcing users to micro-manage flags too much, it might make sense to avoid REQUIRED_USE whenever it's possible to do a build that will almost certainly suit the user's needs. The most common case that I can imagine where

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/ggv

2011-02-11 Thread Pacho Ramos
# Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org (11 Feb 2011) # Upstream dead for a long time, replaced by app-text/evince # Removal in 30 days. app-text/ggv signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

[gentoo-dev] Re: Status of sparc-fbsd

2011-02-11 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Friday, February 11, 2011 03:53:35 AM Torsten Veller wrote: * Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org: So I think your own chance is to contact aballier, ask if he still has access (or ask for renewed opinion for the killing) That was the intention. I cc'ed the bsd team and am still

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: libpng-1.5 smooth upgrade

2011-02-11 Thread Matt Turner
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@gmail.com wrote: Il giorno ven, 11/02/2011 alle 16.51 -0300, Alexis Ballier ha scritto: you are seriously considering patching every single package using libpng like this instead of fixing those that fail??? (and i'm not talking

[gentoo-dev] Re: libpng-1.5 smooth upgrade

2011-02-11 Thread Duncan
Matt Turner posted on Fri, 11 Feb 2011 20:39:04 + as excerpted: I'm a little unclear about -lpng vs -lpng15. ssuominen tells me on IRC that probably 90% of packages linking with libpng will fail with 1.5. These 90% will link with -lpng until a version that supports 1.5 is released? The

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: libpng-1.5 smooth upgrade

2011-02-11 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Friday, February 11, 2011 05:07:50 PM Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: Il giorno ven, 11/02/2011 alle 16.51 -0300, Alexis Ballier ha scritto: you are seriously considering patching every single package using libpng like this instead of fixing those that fail??? (and i'm not talking about the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: libpng-1.5 smooth upgrade

2011-02-11 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday, February 11, 2011 18:33:32 Alexis Ballier wrote: On Friday, February 11, 2011 05:07:50 PM Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: Il giorno ven, 11/02/2011 alle 16.51 -0300, Alexis Ballier ha scritto: you are seriously considering patching every single package using libpng like this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: libpng-1.5 smooth upgrade

2011-02-11 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Friday, February 11, 2011 08:44:04 PM Mike Frysinger wrote: On Friday, February 11, 2011 18:33:32 Alexis Ballier wrote: On Friday, February 11, 2011 05:07:50 PM Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: Il giorno ven, 11/02/2011 alle 16.51 -0300, Alexis Ballier ha scritto: you are seriously

[gentoo-dev] Re: Downgrading glibc?

2011-02-11 Thread Ryan Hill
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:24:14 +0100 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@gmail.com wrote: Il giorno ven, 11/02/2011 alle 14.23 +0100, Michael Haubenwallner ha scritto: But both that document as well as uncountable lines of source code are rather old. While the source code isn't that large a

[gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: app-pda/libopensync and reverse dependencies

2011-02-11 Thread Ryan Hill
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:40:53 +0200 Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 02/10/2011 11:03 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: I'm not sure if you understand opensync then, there's 3-4 series in tree and mostly not compatible with each other: 0.22, 0.36, 0.39 and latest being live .