Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due apache herd removal

2012-11-27 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 11/28/12 15:25, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 11/27/2012 02:43 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: After discussing it at: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/dev/262834 ... Apache itself is in need of some attention these days. The ChangeLog shows only Patrick committing in the last six

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-office/lyx: lyx-2.0.5.ebuild ChangeLog

2012-11-24 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 11/23/12 21:17, Alexis Ballier wrote: On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:45:56 +0800 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: On 11/20/12 21:57, Alexis Ballier wrote: On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:10:51 + (UTC) Patrick Lauer (patrick) patr...@gentoo.org wrote: patrick 12/11/16 09:10:51

Re: [gentoo-dev] open season on other-dev's packages -- policy change?

2012-11-24 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 11/23/12 22:32, Thomas Sachau wrote: Ian Stakenvicius schrieb: On 22/11/12 11:22 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 08:22:10PM -0600, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 11:11 Sun 18 Nov , Robin H. Johnson wrote: Here's a list of every package where I'm a maintainer and there

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-office/lyx: lyx-2.0.5.ebuild ChangeLog

2012-11-22 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 11/20/12 21:57, Alexis Ballier wrote: On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:10:51 + (UTC) Patrick Lauer (patrick) patr...@gentoo.org wrote: patrick 12/11/16 09:10:51 Modified: ChangeLog Added:lyx-2.0.5.ebuild Log: Bump While the bump was fine

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Maintainer needed: dev-libs/icu

2012-11-05 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 11/06/12 05:45, Duncan wrote: Diego Elio Pettenò posted on Mon, 05 Nov 2012 07:39:19 -0800 as excerpted: On 05/11/2012 07:31, Steven J. Long wrote: Are you really missing the fact that by testing someone's overlay, the package would by definition not be in the tree, and you wouldn't have

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] PORTAGE_GPG_KEY strictness

2012-10-16 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 10/17/12 06:54, Robin H. Johnson wrote: Hi all, One of the items that has come up in the Git conversion, and needs some attention. [snip] As such, we've decided to make the PORTAGE_GPG_KEY strictly enforce what was originally intended. - You must specify a key or subkey exactly.

Re: [gentoo-dev] CIA.VC down for the count?

2012-10-13 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 08/23/12 19:34, Anthony G. Basile wrote: Hi everyone, With cia.vc no longer working, its hard to keep track of one another's commits in real time. I used to use the web page and the IRC channel like a gitweb log to see what was going on. Any suggestions on how we can get the visibility

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unified DEPENDENCIES concept

2012-09-07 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 09/07/12 19:45, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Since DEPENDENCIES hasn't been written up in a Gentoo-friendly manner, and since the Exherbo documentation doesn't seem to suffice to explain the idea here, here's some more details on the DEPENDENCIES proposal. There's change, and there's progress.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Global Systemd USE Flag

2012-08-08 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 08/08/12 22:15, Michał Górny wrote: On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:11:42 +0200 Jason A. Donenfeld ja...@zx2c4.com wrote: [snip] Yowza! All the packages that provide systemd unit files are installing them?! But I don't even use systemd. I don't want this cruft on my system. Proposal: global USE

Re: [gentoo-dev] Global Systemd USE Flag

2012-08-08 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 08/08/12 22:35, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote: On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: You are right. In case users really intend to use that, they may be better using app-portage/install-mask, and: $ install-mask -a systemd which will add just the right path.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Opinion against /usr merge

2012-07-18 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 07/19/12 03:05, Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIK, neither genkernel nor dracut were expected to get tied to the Gentoo update process. Has that changed? We don't even update kernels as part of the regular update process, let

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: PROPERTIES=funky-slots

2012-06-23 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 06/23/12 21:21, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: There's been a move towards using slots for clever things that don't fit the traditional way of how slots worked. Examples include the new gtk2 / gtk3 handling and Ruby gems virtuals. Aside from being abusive, No, it solves a real problem. this

Re: [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-21 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 06/21/12 15:25, Pacho Ramos wrote: El jue, 21-06-2012 a las 08:00 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:08:55 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: Also, if I remember correctly, Tommy asked for this some months ago, you asked for what he sent some days ago and now

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012]

2012-05-09 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 05/10/12 06:36, Greg KH wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 08:51:37PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote: I foresee a new udev fork then. Please feel free to do so, the code has been open since the first day I created it. Remember, forks are good, there's nothing wrong with them, I strongly

Re: [gentoo-dev] Chromium bundled code

2012-05-07 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 05/08/12 07:16, Olivier Crête wrote: On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 18:23 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 05:59:45PM -0700, Greg KH wrote On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 02:52:33PM -0700, Luca Barbato wrote: On 04/05/12 14:35, Walter Dnes wrote: What could work is a shim or compatability

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Changing default serial-console definition in inittab

2012-04-27 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 04/28/12 01:29, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: Since I've been configuring a couple of systems lately for remote access, which include configuring the serial console, I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to change our inittab so that the default (commented out) definition of the serial

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making user patches globally available

2012-04-15 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 04/15/12 16:16, Ryan Hill wrote: Right now we have support in some packages for user patches - those being patches dropped into /etc/portage/patches/pkgname/ - which are automatically applied. Because this feature is implemented by epatch_user() in eutils.eclass, it is only available for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Happy 10th birthday (in advance)

2012-03-31 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 03/31/12 17:52, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:44:03 +0300 Alex Alexander alex.alexan...@gmail.com wrote: @preserved-libs works very well and is awesome. hack or not. IMO it should be in stable already. I've been using it on stable production boxes for years without any

Re: [gentoo-dev] Happy 10th birthday (in advance)

2012-03-31 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 03/31/12 23:01, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 19:00:00 +0800 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: Good enough is the worst enemy of perfect. While we have s 98% solution that doesn't handle all corner cases you have a theoretical construct in your brain that might

Re: [gentoo-dev] Happy 10th birthday (in advance)

2012-03-31 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 03/31/12 23:38, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 23:30:07 +0800 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: So you think Gentoo should advertise as the chances of it working are greater than 0%? I said better ... not repetitive trolls. If you cared about making things better you'd

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due www-server herd removal

2012-03-21 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 03/21/12 19:26, Pacho Ramos wrote: As discussed in [gentoo-dev] www-servers herd is empty thread, we agreed with dropping this herd and let people get what they want to maintain. This is the list of orphan packages: www-servers/pound www-servers/varnish I'm a gonna take those two if no

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFD : .ebuild is only bash

2012-03-12 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 03/13/12 01:12, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:05:46 +0100 Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: See above, even if we should ever move away from bash, GLEP 55 is still not needed. ...but we might as well go with GLEP 55 anyway, since GLEP 55 definitely works, whereas

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFD : .ebuild is only bash

2012-03-12 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 03/13/12 02:28, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: [snip lots of political rhetoric] GLEP 55 is simple, No. it solves all the problems we have No, it just tries to shove them under the carpet (including the version issue, which everyone is conveniently ignoring), Say what? it doesn't require us

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deprecate EAPI1?

2012-03-11 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 03/11/12 20:01, Pacho Ramos wrote: After reading previous discussion: http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/gentoo-dev-Deprecate-EAPIs--ftopict530567.html Looks like preventing NEW commits from using eapi1 (via repoman) could be done without major issues. This could even being done also for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deprecate EAPI1?

2012-03-11 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 03/11/12 21:52, Rich Freeman wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: I'd deprecate eapi2 too, we don't need 5 flavours around when we effectively only want to support one (and eapi0 in a few places) I wouldn't mind having a deprecation timeline

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 01/06/12 05:26, Olivier Crête wrote: [snip] The only thing I see them sacrificing is loose coupling, they provide more functionality than any other init system, more correctness (seriously, did you ever read most init scripts out there?), more well defined behavior (all systemd systems boot

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2011-12-31 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 01/01/12 15:12, Olivier Crête wrote: Hi, On Sat, 2011-12-31 at 19:59 -0600, William Hubbs wrote: I have been working with robbat2 on solutions to the separate /usr issue (That is why I have specifically cc'd him on this email) which will allow people to not use an initramfs. If we migrate

Re: [gentoo-dev] have portage be quiet by default

2011-11-14 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 11/14/11 09:25, Alex Alexander wrote: On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 05:59:21PM -0800, Zac Medico wrote: Well, it's much easier to gather interest and get feedback if we deploy the change and ask questions later. What if we tried solving this problem by providing more options instead of trying to

Re: [gentoo-dev] have portage be quiet by default

2011-11-12 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 11/11/11 16:44, Zac Medico wrote: good point. we don't want to punish old portage users. let's enable it by default in portage itself then. just add `elog` output to the portage ebuild to inform users of the change ? or do we want a news item ? what's the flag to negate the default ?

Re: [gentoo-dev] linux-info.eclass: check_extra_config requires a configured kernel

2011-11-04 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 11/04/11 13:59, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: check_extra_config requires a configured kernel (/usr/src/linux/.config), while I think it should also be satisfied by /proc/config.gz (i.e. just a way to verify the config, not necessarily kernel built locally). The running kernel is really

Re: [gentoo-dev] portability.eclass: dead egethome, egetshell, is-login-disabled funcs ?

2011-10-31 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 10/30/11 23:33, Petteri Räty wrote: On 27.10.2011 2.40, Mike Frysinger wrote: i can't see any ebuild/eclass using egethome, egetshell, is-login-disabled from portability.eclass. anyone have a reason for keeping these before i punt them ? -mike Breaking overlays. grepping over all

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving more hardening features to default?

2011-10-25 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 10/25/11 16:18, Kacper Kowalik wrote: W dniu 20.10.2011 10:47, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. pisze: I've noticed http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/SecurityHardeningBuildFlags, i.e. Debian is starting to make more and more hardening features default, at least for most packages. Should we start doing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Making backwards-incompatible tree changes | a solution for GLEP 55's problem

2011-09-20 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 09/20/11 09:12, Alex Alexander wrote: The only real gotcha is if portage is so old that it can't handle the binary packages. However, to get around that we really just need a set of step-wise binary updates for portage itself so that you can sequence it up to something that can install the

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Making backwards-incompatible tree changes | a solution for GLEP 55's problem

2011-09-20 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 09/20/11 15:09, Pacho Ramos wrote: What do you guys think? I haven't ever tried it but, what would occur if that people with really updated systems simply unpack an updated stage3 tarball in their / and, later, try to update? Usually things turn ugly - used to be that portage saw that

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Making backwards-incompatible tree changes | a solution for GLEP 55's problem

2011-09-20 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 09/20/11 17:19, Zac Medico wrote: On 09/19/2011 03:14 PM, Alex Alexander wrote: My idea is simple. When incompatible changes have to be introduced to the tree, push a new version of portage that includes support for all the new features we want to provide. Then, freeze the tree and clone it

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] How do we handle stabilisations of not-exactly-maintained packages

2011-09-20 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 09/20/11 23:18, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: [snipped to bits] So, the issue is obvious, we have packages in testing that are in better shape than stable ones. I'm aware that some of my packages could use a stablereq, but since I don't run any stable machines at the moment it just never bothers me.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] obs eclasses

2011-09-13 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 09/13/11 16:44, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 15:02 Tue 13 Sep , Amadeusz Żołnowski wrote: Excerpts from Joshua Kinard's message of 2011-09-13 14:26:02 +0200: You don't need -n/-z with [[. [[ $var ]] == [[ -n $var ]] [[ ! $var ]] == [[ -z $var ]] What about other comparisons, like

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-zope maintenance

2011-08-29 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 08/29/11 13:33, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 09:23, Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote: Which Zope team is that? Would that be you? Having an overlay with updated packages certainly sounds good, but it would be nice to have some indication of what we're waiting for, or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-24 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 08/24/11 12:31, Thomas Kahle wrote: Hi, On 18:16 Tue 23 Aug 2011, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: there is one important aspect of your program that really needs to be documented (and comments in the code are not enough): What data exactly is the client sending to the server?! What you need

Re: [gentoo-dev] Including a warning to restart daemons after an update.

2011-08-22 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 08/21/11 13:29, Anthony G. Basile wrote: Hi everyone, After updating libraries, I always run something like lsof -x / | grep DEL to see if any running binaries are linking to old libraries that were just updated and then I manually restart them. This is particularly important

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: ban mirror://gentoo/ from ebuilds

2011-08-18 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 08/18/11 10:50, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: Hello everybody, I have already said this before, but it looks like nobody cared. We have a problem for what concerns Gentoo-generated distfiles. People being quiet doesn't imply they don't care - just that it gets really frustrating to repeat the

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: splitting virtual/

2011-08-15 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 08/15/11 21:55, Michał Górny wrote: On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:46:59 -0700 Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Hello, Now that we don't have any old-style virtuals in gx86 anymore, I think the 'virtual' category is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: deprecation of baselayout-1.x

2011-07-01 Thread Patrick Lauer
be. We should figure out a reliable way to move an old install forward ... (I have some ideas, but it all takes time and lots of testing) -- Patrick Lauer http://service.gentooexperimental.org Gentoo Council Member and Evangelist Part of Gentoo Benchmarks, Forensics, PostgreSQL, KDE herds

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-misc/aria2: aria2-1.12.0.ebuild ChangeLog

2011-07-01 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 07/01/11 21:25, Sebastian Pipping wrote: [SNIP] If we use EAPI 4 in that ebuild we cannot make it stable anytime soon, correct? As far as I'm aware we have a stable portage with EAPI 4 in the tree for a few weeks now, so you can actively use it everywhere. -- Patrick Lauer http

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: should openrc be mandatory on all gentoo systems?

2011-06-29 Thread Patrick Lauer
. But as OpenRC has some rare features (being able to start and stop stuff and being reasonably fast among them) and there's no replacement at the moment I see no reason to add a convoluted mess of insanity just to feel good. -- Patrick Lauer http://service.gentooexperimental.org Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: should openrc be mandatory on all gentoo systems?

2011-06-29 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 06/29/11 17:14, Olivier Crête wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 11:08 +0200, Patrick Lauer wrote: On 06/29/11 03:07, Olivier Crête wrote: Hi, On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 17:10 -0500, William Hubbs wrote: The background is that /etc/init.d/functions.sh is a link to /lib/rc/functions.sh, which

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: optinal run time dependencies

2011-06-28 Thread Patrick Lauer
around the useflags might be very convenient. May be instead of ~ introduce three additional prefixes (~ and another two for +~ and -~ cases)? That looks a bit weird :) -- Patrick Lauer http://service.gentooexperimental.org Gentoo Council Member and Evangelist Part of Gentoo Benchmarks

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-26 Thread Patrick Lauer
to start with? -- Patrick Lauer http://service.gentooexperimental.org Gentoo Council Member and Evangelist Part of Gentoo Benchmarks, Forensics, PostgreSQL, KDE herds

Re: [gentoo-dev] Thoughts about broken package handling

2011-06-26 Thread Patrick Lauer
support disabled. But if you trust 2.1 enough to use it you also shouldn't have a problem with 2.2. There's still a few silly bugs with preserved-rebuild (corner cases like downgrades and stupid build systems), but I've not had any problematic behaviour in quite a long time ... -- Patrick Lauer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reviving webapp-config

2011-06-13 Thread Patrick Lauer
. Maybe it can be turned into simple templates to generate all configs from? -- Patrick Lauer http://service.gentooexperimental.org Gentoo Council Member and Evangelist Part of Gentoo Benchmarks, Forensics, PostgreSQL, KDE herds

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-arch/bzip2: bzip2-1.0.5-r1.ebuild

2011-06-08 Thread Patrick Lauer
, that never ends well. -- Patrick Lauer http://service.gentooexperimental.org Gentoo Council Member and Evangelist Part of Gentoo Benchmarks, Forensics, PostgreSQL, KDE herds

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-arch/bzip2: bzip2-1.0.5-r1.ebuild

2011-06-08 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 06/08/11 11:43, Michał Górny wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 11:28:47 +0200 Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:27, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: In all cases I want one resource to look at, viewcvs is a horrible and slow interface. So it does make sense

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: removal of net-print/foo2zjs-99999999 (earlier versions are fubar)

2011-06-03 Thread Patrick Lauer
upstreams ... I think it would be similar to the situation we had with adobe-flash packages. It reminds me more of the (now defunct) live ebuild of chromium-bin Best regards, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn -- Patrick Lauer http://service.gentooexperimental.org Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: better policy for ChageLogs

2011-06-02 Thread Patrick Lauer
scripts around wrappers to get things done, so I'll just stay out of the way and reserve the right to point and laugh when funny misbehaviour happens. -- Patrick Lauer http://service.gentooexperimental.org Gentoo Council Member and Evangelist Part of Gentoo Benchmarks, Forensics

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

2011-04-12 Thread Patrick Lauer
goes well! -- Patrick Lauer http://service.gentooexperimental.org Gentoo Council Member and Evangelist Part of Gentoo Benchmarks, Forensics, PostgreSQL, KDE herds

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rejecting unsigned commits

2011-03-25 Thread Patrick Lauer
don't have policies in place yet it's a bit of a mess right now. So. What parameters do we need to agree on? And what's a realistic timeframe *if* we decide to go ahead with it? Waiting for good answers :) Patrick -- Patrick Lauer http://service.gentooexperimental.org Gentoo Council

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-php5/ZendOptimizer

2011-03-04 Thread Patrick Lauer
, Patrick -- Patrick Lauer http://service.gentooexperimental.org Gentoo Council Member and Evangelist Part of Gentoo Benchmarks, Forensics, PostgreSQL, KDE herds

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deprecate EAPIs 0 and 1?

2010-12-31 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 12/31/10 12:02, Ulrich Mueller wrote: Hi, after approval of EAPI 4, there are now 5 different EAPIs available, and it's hard to remember what features are offered by which EAPI. So maybe it's about time that we deprecate EAPIs 0 and 1 for new ebuilds. As a first step, a warning could

Re: [gentoo-dev] What are || ( ) dependencies?

2010-12-17 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 12/17/10 18:09, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:56:21 +0100 Sebastian Luther sebastianlut...@gmx.de wrote: Why can't the PM handle = / cases itself? Because things are almost never as simple as 'just' = / . You can add in clever trickery to deal with very specific cases,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Move x86/amd64 CPU extensions USE flags to a new USE_EXPAND variable

2010-12-11 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 12/11/10 18:57, Jeroen Roovers wrote: Hi all, bugs like [1] makes clear to me that the increasing number of CPU extensions USE flags is getting more and more confusing. [snip] Among all CPU extensions USE flags you'll find: 3dnow 3dnowext mmx mmxext sse sse2 sse3

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 2.7 status check?

2010-11-29 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 11/29/10 10:30, Graham Murray wrote: Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org writes: 2010-11-29 01:26:19 Robin H. Johnson napisał(a): Sebastian Pipping recently removed automatic upgrade of active version of Python, so python-2.7.1.ebuild does not upgrade active version

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The future of sys-apps/openrc in Gentoo

2010-08-24 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 08/23/10 19:26, Olivier Crête wrote: On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 17:05 +0200, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: Le lundi 05 juillet 2010 à 08:57 +, Duncan a écrit : [lots of stuff about bashisms and posix] So let's stabilize OpenRC and be done with it, and /then/ we can debate where we want to

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of sys-apps/openrc in Gentoo

2010-07-05 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 07/05/10 03:03, Olivier Crête wrote: On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 18:15 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: which is trivial to fix and anyone with commit privs could have done. it certainly doesnt warrant a paniced the sky is falling message. I think this is a great occasion to dump our stupid

[gentoo-dev] Council manifesto of the bonsaikitten

2010-07-02 Thread Patrick Lauer
With only a few hours left to vote y'all might be wondering What happened to Patrick's manifesto? Short version - I'm not in the mood to write long speeches about things I won't manage to do. We have lots of technical issues to discuss and decide on (like the recent as-needed discussion, again,

Re: [gentoo-dev] FYI: Rules for distro-friendly packages

2010-06-27 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 06/27/10 13:02, Enrico Weigelt wrote: [snip] We also offer 10 versions of glibc, 8 versions of uclibc, and 7 versions of klibc. Each version may have header bugs, so may trigger warnings for perfectly good code. Well, if there're header bugs, shouldn't they get fixed before these libs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Policy for late/slow stabilizations

2010-06-27 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 06/27/10 17:04, Markos Chandras wrote: [snip] Whilst I do understand that these arches are understaffed and they can't keep up with the increased stabilization load like x86/amd64 do, I still think that slow stabilization leads to an obsolete stable tree which I doesn't make sense to me

Re: [gentoo-dev] FYI: Rules for distro-friendly packages

2010-06-27 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 06/27/10 20:33, Brian Harring wrote: On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 01:08:58PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt wrote: * Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com schrieb: Well, at least for tar, I've experienced no problem here yet. But: true, it might change between tar versions. The main offender

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-19 Thread Patrick Lauer
Now that's tone in Gentoo. Brilliant. And you're ugly! Hey, you're doing it yourself. You're using sarcasm (I assume you do, otherwise the positive Brilliant. doesn't fit in the context of Oh dear, these rude people said that!) I think we need to remember to tolerate each other more - there's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-19 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 06/19/10 18:20, Sebastian Pipping wrote: And never forget, I don't care if you're upset that I filed 35 bugs for you. If you mean what you say: that's pretty insensitive. But I honestly don't care how you _feel_ about a bug. There's a defect. It's a fact. The only way to change it is to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-19 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 06/19/10 23:20, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 23:03:31 +0200 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: That is an incredibly shortsighted and cynic look at the community. Keep it off this list. I consider that remark disrespectful. By rejecting comments in such an impolite

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Patrick Lauer
Let me cut out one or two pieces I consider very important: We communicate in English but that doesn't mean we all the same cultural background. My native language doesn't do small talk and doesn't have a word for please. Now of course this will cause friction. I've noticed it especially with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 06/17/10 22:09, Sebastian Pipping wrote: Patrick, On 06/17/10 18:21, Patrick Lauer wrote: Now of course this will cause friction. I've noticed it especially with germanic and slavic languages that are more terse than english. For example Sit down! is acceptable in all situations

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2010/2011 - Nominations are now open

2010-06-07 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 06/05/10 13:36, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 02:00, Torsten Veller t...@gentoo.org wrote: Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2010/2011 are now open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2010). I'd like to nominate patrick I accept the nomination. and vapier.

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Packages up for grabs -- xmerlin, yoswink, chtekk, omp, tantive, mueli, bluebird, hncaldwell, caleb

2010-06-02 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 06/02/10 09:18, Torsten Veller wrote: Here's a bunch of packages up for grabs, due to maintainers retiring.. maintainer-needed - app-admin/monit app-forensics/samhain app-misc/anki app-misc/beanstalkd dev-libs/vanessa-adt dev-libs/vanessa-logger

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-fs/samba/files: samba-init

2010-05-20 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 05/20/10 15:34, Peter Volkov wrote: В Втр, 11/05/2010 в 11:53 +, Patrick Lauer (patrick) пишет: start() { +# we can't assume that /var/run/ is persistent, so create dir if needed +[ ! -e /var/run/samba ] mkdir /var/run/samba Why? Is it impossible to create /var/run/samba

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting 19 April 2010

2010-04-08 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 04/08/10 15:29, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 05:02:25 -0700 Brian Harring ferri...@gmail.com wrote: 4) if there are questions re: use cycle breaking or other bits, feel free to ask prior please- council meeting times unfortunately right now intersect badly with my paying

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is Gentoo dying?

2010-04-04 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 04/04/10 03:48, Joshua Saddler wrote: On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 11:16:32 +0200 Tobias Scherbaum dertobi...@gentoo.org wrote: - Our formerly outstanding documentation still is somewhat maintained, but that's it. I haven't seen any new additions (both to our docs, but also to our docs-team) for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is Gentoo a Phoenix?

2010-04-03 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 04/03/10 11:16, Tobias Scherbaum wrote: Hell no, but ... We have lots of quite understaffed areas, to sum up in a positive way. Summing it up the negative way one might say, we have lots of areas were users might get the idea Gentoo already is dead. So what are _you_ doing to make it

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: Proxy-maintainer project

2010-03-18 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 03/18/10 18:24, Sébastien Fabbro wrote: On Thursday 18 March, Markos Chandras wrote: 1) Should we use a new overlay? A new branch on sunrise? or work ebuilds in Gentoo bugzilla?I think the latter is the best 2) I think an email alias is not needed We can monitor maintainer-wanted/-

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-forensics/samhain: ChangeLog samhain-2.6.2.ebuild

2010-02-26 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 02/26/10 22:01, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 02/26/2010 10:49 PM, Patrick Lauer (patrick) wrote: patrick 10/02/26 20:49:19 Modified: ChangeLog Added:samhain-2.6.2.ebuild Log: Bump (Portage version: 2.2_rc63/cvs/Linux x86_64) Index: samhain-2.6.2

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-forensics/zzuf: ChangeLog zzuf-0.13.ebuild

2010-02-26 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 02/26/10 22:02, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 02/26/2010 10:50 PM, Patrick Lauer (patrick) wrote: src_test() { if hasq sandbox ${FEATURES}; then ewarn zzuf tests don't work correctly when sandbox is enabled, ewarn skipping tests. If you want to run the testsuite

[gentoo-dev] Lastrite: net-analyzer/zabbix-{agent,frontend,server}

2010-01-09 Thread Patrick Lauer
# Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org (09 Jan 2010) # Package has been unsplit, use net-analyzer/zabbix net-analyzer/zabbix-agent net-analyzer/zabbix-frontend net-analyzer/zabbix-server Unmaintained and no longer useful as package has been unsplit

Re: [gentoo-dev] Election for the Gentoo Council empty seat

2009-12-27 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 12/24/09 23:50, Roy Bamford wrote: On 2009.12.16 00:36, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: Hello. As announced by Denis (Calchan)[1], we need to have an election for the Gentoo Council's empty seat. We'll be putting up a page with all the information for the Council election, including

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA is unimportant?

2009-11-09 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Monday 09 November 2009 13:08:52 Peter Volkov wrote: [Snip] Well, it looks like the root of this problem is the following statement: QA is less important then new packages in the tree. I failed to hear any arguments why QA is unimportant so I still believe that QA problem is a problem.

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA is unimportant?

2009-11-09 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Monday 09 November 2009 21:16:28 Mike Frysinger wrote: oh muffin ! get over it already. either do it right or stop doing it. perl? That's how you want to handle things? Great. I think we can agree that that strategy doesn't work. You should understand one thing: I don't care at all

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-forensics/foremost: ChangeLog foremost-1.5.6.ebuild

2009-11-08 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Sunday 08 November 2009 15:21:18 Peter Volkov wrote: В Вск, 08/11/2009 в 11:56 +, Patrick Lauer (patrick) пишет: patrick 09/11/08 11:56:46 Log: Bump file : http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/app-forensics/foremost/fo remost-1.5.6.ebuild?rev=1.1view=markup

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-forensics/foremost: ChangeLog foremost-1.5.6.ebuild

2009-11-08 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Sunday 08 November 2009 15:56:24 Petteri Räty wrote: Patrick Lauer wrote: On Sunday 08 November 2009 15:21:18 Peter Volkov wrote: В Вск, 08/11/2009 в 11:56 +, Patrick Lauer (patrick) пишет: patrick 09/11/08 11:56:46 Log: Bump file : http://sources.gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-forensics/foremost: ChangeLog foremost-1.5.6.ebuild

2009-11-08 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Sunday 08 November 2009 18:37:10 Peter Volkov wrote: В Вск, 08/11/2009 в 16:06 +0100, Patrick Lauer пишет: And because I'm a lazy I'd appreciate if y'all stopped obsessing about such details and just fix it instead Do you mean that whatever you commit to the tree is not your

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-forensics/foremost: ChangeLog foremost-1.5.6.ebuild

2009-11-08 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Sunday 08 November 2009 19:24:47 Mike Frysinger wrote: On Sunday 08 November 2009 13:10:34 Patrick Lauer wrote: On Sunday 08 November 2009 18:37:10 Peter Volkov wrote: В Вск, 08/11/2009 в 16:06 +0100, Patrick Lauer пишет: And because I'm a lazy I'd appreciate if y'all stopped

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-forensics/foremost: ChangeLog foremost-1.5.6.ebuild

2009-11-08 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Sunday 08 November 2009 20:27:23 Mark Loeser wrote: Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org said: If you feel you have too much time you could search on bugzilla for patch and start fixing those bugs. Bump is also a funny search. If you are just bumping random packages and applying patches

Re: [gentoo-dev] FEATURES use or misuse?

2009-11-04 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Wednesday 04 November 2009 01:33:23 Sebastian Pipping wrote: Patrick Lauer wrote: Calling EAPI is ... well ... I can't even think of a place to start to explain how wrong it is. How on earth are you going to parse an eclass that supports multiple EAPIs where one EAPI were to support

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: FEATURES use or misuse?

2009-11-04 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Wednesday 04 November 2009 01:11:39 Ryan Hill wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:28:57 +0100 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: And then why bother when the tree doesn't reflect PMS. Maybe if some people would stop ignoring PMS on whim because they don't agree with something

[gentoo-dev] FEATURES use or misuse?

2009-11-03 Thread Patrick Lauer
Hi there, a while ago Thilo Bangert spent quite some time on filing lots of bugs. While I appreciate such QA efforts I don't agree with those bugs at all. All of these bugs were for the use of the FEATURES variable in ebuilds, which is a very convenient thing to work around issues. For

Re: [gentoo-dev] FEATURES use or misuse?

2009-11-03 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Tuesday 03 November 2009 18:27:46 Sebastian Pipping wrote: Patrick Lauer wrote: Hi there, a while ago Thilo Bangert spent quite some time on filing lots of bugs. While I appreciate such QA efforts I don't agree with those bugs at all. All of these bugs were for the use

Re: [gentoo-dev] FEATURES use or misuse?

2009-11-03 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Tuesday 03 November 2009 22:26:24 Alexis Ballier wrote: To quote: FEATURES is a portage specific package manager configuration variable not specified in PMS and cannot reliably be used in ebuilds or eclasses. For distcc ccache, let me quote ebuild.sh code: if hasq distcc

Re: [gentoo-dev] FEATURES use or misuse?

2009-11-03 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Tuesday 03 November 2009 21:58:27 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:36:18 +0100 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: Userpriv I've seen the funny idea to check if UID=0 and such. Yes, and that 'funny idea' has the added advantage of working even if userpriv

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: perl-5.10.1 status update

2009-10-27 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 11:10:39 Torsten Veller wrote: * Torsten Vellert...@gentoo.org: After that I'll minimize my perl work if no more people join to help. Plan revised: I stop doing perl work right now. Thanks for all the time you spent on perl. I can understand that doing

Re: [gentoo-dev] New ebuild metadata to mark how robust the package is?

2009-10-17 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Saturday 17 October 2009 01:29:00 Daniel Bradshaw wrote: Some packages, like findutils, are pretty robust and generally just get on with working. Other packages, like apache and ssh, need are more fragile and need plenty of configuration. That's almost completely user-side configuration

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unused ebuild built_with_use cleanup

2009-10-08 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Friday 09 October 2009 00:22:26 Petteri Räty wrote: across a case that couldn't be done with EAPI 2 yet. Granted the atoms can be a bit cleaner with EAPI 3 but considering how much zmedico slacks in implementing it, it's best to do migrating now with EAPI 2 than EAPI Comments like

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: USE=qa-test

2009-10-07 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Wednesday 07 October 2009 13:13:31 Duncan wrote: Ryan Hill posted on Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:38:18 -0600 as excerpted: I'd like to propose a new USE flag, qa-test or a better name, to handle these cases in a consistent way. This would give us a way to differentiate between tests that

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