Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-21 Thread Sergey Popov
17.04.2015 15:26, Andrew Savchenko пишет: Please point to exact projects and exact descriptions of workflow processes. As for now I see none globally usable. While not strictly refer to ebuild's writing itself, Gentoo Security team has review workflow for publishing GLSAs. There should be at

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-18 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 5:15 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: On 04/17/2015 07:15 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Alexander Berntsen berna...@gentoo.org wrote: On 17/04/15 16:33, Andrew Savchenko wrote: The problem is double effort: previously one developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-18 Thread hasufell
On 04/18/2015 02:35 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: I am really confused. I guess some people have never really been in a different workflow than gentoo to know that it's really not state-of-the-art. And it really isn't. Not even for distros. I am not saying that a review workflow is bad. I just

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-18 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:03 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: Having a proper review workflow/platform increases the contribution factor of the community. And not just that. Define contribution factor. If you mean the number of people writing patches vs the number of people with commit

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-18 Thread hasufell
On 04/17/2015 04:33 PM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 14:50:00 +0200 hasufell wrote: If you have followed the recent discussions about gentoos organizational structure, review workflow and overlay situation you would know that there is a pretty simple solution for this problem.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-18 Thread hasufell
On 04/17/2015 07:15 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Alexander Berntsen berna...@gentoo.org wrote: On 17/04/15 16:33, Andrew Savchenko wrote: The problem is double effort: previously one developer effort was needed, now effort is doubled at least You have correctly

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-18 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Saturday 18 April 2015 11:15:56 hasufell wrote: On 04/17/2015 07:15 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Alexander Berntsen berna...@gentoo.org wrote: On 17/04/15 16:33, Andrew Savchenko wrote: The problem is double effort: previously one developer effort was

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-18 Thread hasufell
On 04/17/2015 11:09 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Am Donnerstag, 16. April 2015, 19:27:13 schrieb hasufell: High-quality overlays are the easiest way to contribute. I don't think users should really have to care when or how an ebuild reaches the CVS gentoo tree. Most projects already use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-17 Thread hasufell
On 04/17/2015 02:26 PM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 13:14:49 +0200 hasufell wrote: On 04/17/2015 01:00 PM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 12:33:06 +0200 Alexander Berntsen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15/04/15 15:02, Peter Stuge

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-17 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 13:14:49 +0200 hasufell wrote: On 04/17/2015 01:00 PM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 12:33:06 +0200 Alexander Berntsen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15/04/15 15:02, Peter Stuge wrote: the threshold to become a developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-17 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15/04/15 15:02, Peter Stuge wrote: the threshold to become a developer with write access to the gentoo repo is very high LOL. No. It's way too low, given our review-less workflow in which any dev can do essentially whatever they want. - --

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-17 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 12:33:06 +0200 Alexander Berntsen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15/04/15 15:02, Peter Stuge wrote: the threshold to become a developer with write access to the gentoo repo is very high LOL. No. It's way too low, given our review-less

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-17 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 04/17/2015 01:00 PM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 12:33:06 +0200 Alexander Berntsen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15/04/15 15:02, Peter Stuge wrote: the threshold to become a developer with write

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-17 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hi, On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 10:50:34 +1200 Kent Fredric wrote: On 17 April 2015 at 02:22, Bob Wya bob.mt@gmail.com wrote: Are you maintaining an overlay listed in Layman? If not then it's pretty obvious that you're just trolling the mailing list and wasting a lot of folk's time...

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-17 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/04/15 16:33, Andrew Savchenko wrote: The problem is double effort: previously one developer effort was needed, now effort is doubled at least You have correctly identified the problem; in order to do things properly one must do things

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-17 Thread hasufell
On 04/17/2015 01:00 PM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 12:33:06 +0200 Alexander Berntsen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15/04/15 15:02, Peter Stuge wrote: the threshold to become a developer with write access to the gentoo repo is very high LOL. No.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-17 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 14:50:00 +0200 hasufell wrote: If you have followed the recent discussions about gentoos organizational structure, review workflow and overlay situation you would know that there is a pretty simple solution for this problem. I have followed them and I have seen no

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-17 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Alexander Berntsen berna...@gentoo.org wrote: On 17/04/15 16:33, Andrew Savchenko wrote: The problem is double effort: previously one developer effort was needed, now effort is doubled at least You have correctly identified the problem; in order to do things

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-17 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 16-04-2015 a las 19:27 +0200, hasufell escribió: [...] To reply to the topic: If the only reason you want to become a gentoo developer is contributing ebuilds, then you should reconsider that, because there are easier ways to do that. But if you are interested in politics, PMS, EAPI

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-17 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Donnerstag, 16. April 2015, 19:27:13 schrieb hasufell: High-quality overlays are the easiest way to contribute. I don't think users should really have to care when or how an ebuild reaches the CVS gentoo tree. Most projects already use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-17 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Freitag, 17. April 2015, 16:41:37 schrieb Alexander Berntsen: On an unrelated side-note: I am considering a career in landscape portrait painting instead of computer science. I hereby confirm that I've read this message. - -- Andreas K.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-17 Thread Kent Fredric
On 18 April 2015 at 02:33, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gentoo.org wrote: The problem is double effort: previously one developer effort was needed, now effort is doubled at least: reviewers must dig into details how submitted code works, test it and only then commit. Now remember that reviewers

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-16 Thread Bob Wya
On 15 April 2015 at 04:33, Yanestra wysi...@seismic.de wrote: Blah, blah, blah... BLAH! Are you maintaining an overlay listed in Layman? If not then it's pretty obvious that you're just trolling the mailing list and wasting a lot of folk's time...

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-16 Thread hasufell
On 04/15/2015 03:02 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: Yanestra wrote: Many secrets, Something is only a secret if there is intent to keep it secret. I agree that the various Gentoo structures and the overhead is not well-documented in a very accessible manner. There are good and bad mostly

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-16 Thread Kent Fredric
On 17 April 2015 at 05:27, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: To reply to the topic: If the only reason you want to become a gentoo developer is contributing ebuilds, then you should reconsider that, because there are easier ways to do that. But if you are interested in politics, PMS, EAPI

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-16 Thread Kent Fredric
On 17 April 2015 at 02:22, Bob Wya bob.mt@gmail.com wrote: Are you maintaining an overlay listed in Layman? If not then it's pretty obvious that you're just trolling the mailing list and wasting a lot of folk's time... I'm not sure that's the case. Its easy enough to maintain an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-15 Thread Peter Stuge
Yanestra wrote: after a talk with some of the persons present here, it appears, Gentoo Linux is actually something like a Freemason lodge. I disagree with this. I do agree that the threshold to become a developer with write access to the gentoo repo is very high, which is why I'm not a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-15 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 15-04-2015 a las 05:33 +0200, Yanestra escribió: Hi, after a talk with some of the persons present here, it appears, Gentoo Linux is actually something like a Freemason lodge. Many secrets, inaugurations, and obviously magic. People, I can only conclude you are not sane. This

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-15 Thread Diamond
On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 05:33:44 +0200 Yanestra wysi...@seismic.de wrote: Hi, after a talk with some of the persons present here, it appears, Gentoo Linux is actually something like a Freemason lodge. Many secrets, inaugurations, and obviously magic. People, I can only conclude you are not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-14 Thread Yanestra
Hi, after a talk with some of the persons present here, it appears, Gentoo Linux is actually something like a Freemason lodge. Many secrets, inaugurations, and obviously magic. People, I can only conclude you are not sane. This is absolutely ICK ... YOU ARE ICK !! Disgusting.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-13 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 04/12/2015 05:17 AM, Yanestra wrote: Hi, I am long time user of Gentoo and I tinker with the idea of becoming Gentoo developer. I am a software developer by profession, but I am not quite sure if I should involve with Gentoo ebuild development. To be honest, I have not the slightest

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-13 Thread Patrice Clement
Monday 13 Apr 2015 03:27:19, Daniel Campbell wrote : On 04/12/2015 05:17 AM, Yanestra wrote: Hi, I am long time user of Gentoo and I tinker with the idea of becoming Gentoo developer. I am a software developer by profession, but I am not quite sure if I should involve with Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-13 Thread Patrice Clement
If, by any chance, you happen to like Java, we're looking for fresh blood. We're kinda short of manpower in the team at the moment: with over 1000 bugs assigned to java@g.o, any form of help is welcome. Further, you'll get to work on maintaining some of Chewi's ebuilds, some of which encompass

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-12 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 16:27:53 +0200 Yanestra wrote: On 04/12/2015 03:08 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: Hi! I don't see such chaos :/ Maybe you can explain what this maintainer / proxy maintainer / Sunrise fuss is all about? Maintainer is a Gentoo developers who maintains a package. Proxy maintainer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-12 Thread Yanestra
On 04/12/2015 03:08 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: Hi! I don't see such chaos :/ Maybe you can explain what this maintainer / proxy maintainer / Sunrise fuss is all about? I've never seen the page you mentioned about the recruiting process. Sounds strange.

[gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-12 Thread Yanestra
Hi, I am long time user of Gentoo and I tinker with the idea of becoming Gentoo developer. I am a software developer by profession, but I am not quite sure if I should involve with Gentoo ebuild development. To be honest, I have not the slightest imagination what becoming a Gentoo developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-12 Thread Pacho Ramos
El dom, 12-04-2015 a las 14:17 +0200, Yanestra escribió: Hi, I am long time user of Gentoo and I tinker with the idea of becoming Gentoo developer. I am a software developer by profession, but I am not quite sure if I should involve with Gentoo ebuild development. To be honest, I have

Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer?

2015-04-12 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Sonntag, 12. April 2015, 16:27:53 schrieb Yanestra: Maybe you can explain what this maintainer / proxy maintainer / Sunrise fuss is all about? Mostly ways of getting involved for people who are new to Gentoo. Attempts to make the initial