Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoostats continued] Collected data and justification for it

On Thu, 07 May 2020 09:29:36 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > For example, if OCaml bindings on some package are broken and require > a lot of work, I would find useful to know how likely it is that anyone > is using it. Or if a lot of people are enabling 'frobnicate' flag, > I could consider

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoostats continued] Collected data and justification for it

On Sat, 09 May 2020 15:22:52 +0200 Gerion Entrup wrote: > I'm not sure, if Portage is capable of this, but a distinction in USE > flags needed to fulfil some dependency of another package and USE flags > actively activated by the user could be useful. Presently impossible, as how portage

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoostats continued] Collected data and justification for it

On Fri, 8 May 2020 09:49:18 +0200 Jaco Kroon wrote: > So we do need the full list of packages installed, filtered to ::gentoo, > but there needs to be an indicated whether it's installed because it's > in @world, as a dep of something in @world (which is possibly not in > ::gentoo), or is some

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoostats continued] Collected data and justification for it

> > I think we shouldn't collect any data unless we have a good plan on how > we'd be able to use it. In this thread, I'd like to collect ideas > on what data to collect and how it could realistically be used. > 5) CFLAGS and possibly related variables 6) "active" version of slotted system

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoostats continued] Collected data and justification for it

Am Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2020, 09:29:36 CEST schrieb Michał Górny: > I'm going to start with the data and uses I can think of. Please reply > with other things you can think of. > > > 1) list of selected packages (@world) > > We would use this to determine the popularity of individual packages, >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoostats continued] Collected data and justification for it

Hi, On 2020/05/08 08:17, Hans de Graaff wrote: > On Thu, 2020-05-07 at 09:29 +0200, Michał Górny wrote: >> >> 1) list of selected packages (@world) >> >> We would use this to determine the popularity of individual packages, >> plus by scanning their dependencies we would be able to make combined

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoostats continued] Collected data and justification for it

On Thu, 2020-05-07 at 09:29 +0200, Michał Górny wrote: > > > 1) list of selected packages (@world) > > We would use this to determine the popularity of individual packages, > plus by scanning their dependencies we would be able to make combined > statistics for direct usage + dependencies of

[gentoo-dev] [gentoostats continued] Collected data and justification for it

Hi, The previous thread covered a few topics, in this one I'd like to focus on the data collected. So far people have indicated a few different kinds of data they'd find useful. However, I don't think enough attention has been put on explaining why they need the data and how they'd use it. I

[gentoo-dev] Gentoostats

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Sunday 24 January 2016 16:50:46 Göktürk Yüksek wrote: > > I don't want to go off-topic here too much but this is more than a > missing tools issue. There are privacy concerns regarding the > collection of such information. I recall this proposed

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Andreas K. Hüttel wrote: > Gentoostats is a typical stillbirth of the Gentoo Google Summer of Soon- > Obsolete Code. Would I be happy if someone were to revive and actually deploy > it (the last point is important!)? YES! When I last looked

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats

On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 16:59:57 +0100 "Andreas K. Hüttel" wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On Sunday 24 January 2016 16:50:46 Göktürk Yüksek wrote: > > > > I don't want to go off-topic here too much but this is more than a > > missing tools

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats

Andreas K. Hüttel schrieb: And it would be extremely useful how many of our maintainer-needed packages are actually still compiled once per year. (Or if any one single person even uses KDE on ppc64.) Gentoostats is a typical stillbirth of the Gentoo Google Summer of Soon- Obsolete Code. Would I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

On 03:18 Fri 26 Aug , Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: I've picked this message as I want to address one point in this thread that was focused on this sub-thread. I disagree with the idea that adding an application to the Gentoo tree that collects data from users and sends it to a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 29-08-2011 21:23, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 03:18 Fri 26 Aug , Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: I've picked this message as I want to address one point in this thread that was focused on this sub-thread. I disagree with the idea that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote: The point I was addressing is the suggestion that the above should be possible and the idea that any single developer is entitled to do so. It's a moot point, because no one (that I see) claimed or is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: I've picked this message as I want to address one point in this thread that was focused on this sub-thread. I disagree with the idea that adding an application to the Gentoo tree that collects data from users and sends it to a central (or distributed) system is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:03:44 +0200 Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: Am Mittwoch 24 August 2011, 12:48:35 schrieb Patrick Lauer: If you sneakily add something to cron.daily by default you can get pretty nice coverage. But I guess anyone trying that in Gentooland will meet

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

On 2011.08.24 11:48, Patrick Lauer wrote: [snip] If you sneakily add something to cron.daily by default you can get pretty nice coverage. But I guess anyone trying that in Gentooland will meet some rather unpleasant resistance :) This app and if its opt in or opt out will set a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Roy Bamford neddyseag...@gentoo.org wrote: It has to be opt-in as opt out would be a dangerous precendent to set. I don't see any harm is a gentle reminder message from emerge, provided that the reminder can be turned off too, if the user really does not want

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:20 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Roy Bamford neddyseag...@gentoo.org wrote: It has to be opt-in as opt out would be a dangerous precendent to set. I don't see any harm is a gentle reminder message from emerge, provided that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: We did post to -dev, hence this thread. My post was intended to be general in applicability, and not critical of the particular instance of this issue being discussed. I would generally suggest that implementing this as a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25-08-2011 14:35, Alec Warner wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:20 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: snip The big issue with opt-out is privacy law - especially in Europe (that's leaving aside just being up-front with users). We'd end

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

Hi, On 18:16 Tue 23 Aug 2011, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: there is one important aspect of your program that really needs to be documented (and comments in the code are not enough): What data exactly is the client sending to the server?! What you need is basically an easy-to-find file / web

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

On 08/24/11 12:31, Thomas Kahle wrote: Hi, On 18:16 Tue 23 Aug 2011, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: there is one important aspect of your program that really needs to be documented (and comments in the code are not enough): What data exactly is the client sending to the server?! What you need

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

Am Mittwoch 24 August 2011, 12:48:35 schrieb Patrick Lauer: If you sneakily add something to cron.daily by default you can get pretty nice coverage. But I guess anyone trying that in Gentooland will meet some rather unpleasant resistance :) Of course, we could place it in some blatantly

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: If you sneakily add something to cron.daily by default you can get pretty nice coverage. But I guess anyone trying that in Gentooland will meet some rather unpleasant resistance :) Well, we could always broadcast the news

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

On 12:48 Wed 24 Aug 2011, Patrick Lauer wrote: On 08/24/11 12:31, Thomas Kahle wrote: Hi, On 18:16 Tue 23 Aug 2011, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: there is one important aspect of your program that really needs to be documented (and comments in the code are not enough): What data

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

On 13:03 Wed 24 Aug 2011, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Am Mittwoch 24 August 2011, 12:48:35 schrieb Patrick Lauer: If you sneakily add something to cron.daily by default you can get pretty nice coverage. But I guess anyone trying that in Gentooland will meet some rather unpleasant

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

i am a user and i am ok with opt-out if the std data that is transferd is compleatly anonymized so no sensitive data. and if the user wants to register his/her machine pkg's more data is trasnfered thx Mario 2011/8/24 Thomas Kahle to...@gentoo.org: On 13:03 Wed 24 Aug 2011, Andreas K. Huettel

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Thomas Kahle to...@gentoo.org wrote: Sorry, but NO.  If you want you can make a big noise message that asks users to install the cron-job but opt-out is not an option here. Well, that's up to the Council/Trustees ultimately, but opinions (and better still

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 5:05 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Thomas Kahle to...@gentoo.org wrote: Sorry, but NO.  If you want you can make a big noise message that asks users to install the cron-job but opt-out is not an option here. Well, that's up

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

Hi Vikram, there is one important aspect of your program that really needs to be documented (and comments in the code are not enough): What data exactly is the client sending to the server?! What you need is basically an easy-to-find file / web page / ... where this is explained concise and

[gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

Hi all, Gentoostats[0] is a GSoC 2011 project to collect package statistics from gentoo machines. Please check it out. Bug reports and feature suggestions are welcome. To submit your stats, use the app-portage/gentoostats ebuild from betagarden overlay[1]. [0]