Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k

2004-02-14 Thread Norbert Kamenicky
Arne Vogel wrote: snip Hi Arne, I have the same opinion and agree with you. :-) To support it, I added some comments ... I've never taken the people seriously who claim that OSS is full of stolen code, simply because a) Closed source is typically quite hard to get. b) Source from other project

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k

2004-02-14 Thread renna
On Friday 13 February 2004 00:10, Jakub Krajcovic wrote: > Hi guys, i know this is totally OT, but if you don't mind, check out > slashdot concernig %subject > > GPG public keys available at pgp.mit.edu well, maybe i'm just raving, but could it be that it was a commercial move by M$? I mean, they

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k

2004-02-14 Thread Norbert Kamenicky
Grendel wrote: On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, Matt Garman uttered the following immortal words, snip Again it is a myth that windows is not secure as linux, I bet if you take the bug reports of the systems and componenets (linux+apache+ssh etc vs window and components) you will probably find the same numb

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k

2004-02-14 Thread Mike Williams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 14 February 2004 01:39, Grendel wrote: > Again it is a myth that windows is not secure as linux, I bet if you take > the bug reports of the systems and componenets (linux+apache+ssh etc vs > window and components) you will probably find th

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k

2004-02-13 Thread Grendel
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, Matt Garman uttered the following immortal words, > > What scares me, truly, is that it only takes one bonehead to do a copy > and paste job from the MS code to a (previously) legitimate OSS > application. And, as you say, that gives Microsoft, with their vast > financial an

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k

2004-02-13 Thread Matt Garman
On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 02:02:54PM -0800, Eric Paynter wrote: > Matt Garman said: > > This would serve a huge purpose for OSS: accountability, and and > > easy means to verify source code (who made it, where it came from, > > etc, etc). The intent is to help OSS "prove" that it is > > legitimate, t

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k

2004-02-13 Thread Tom Wesley
On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 21:46, Arne Vogel wrote: > Greg wrote: > > > Seriously the only real value I see in this is for someone to search > > for security holes by looking at the source. Otherwise I see no > > reason anyone should be interested in Mickey$oft code. > > > > Greg > > Doesn't "sheer c

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k

2004-02-13 Thread Arne Vogel
Greg wrote: Seriously the only real value I see in this is for someone to search for security holes by looking at the source. Otherwise I see no reason anyone should be interested in Mickey$oft code. Greg Doesn't "sheer curiosity" count as a reason then? Though I wouldn't want to risk a lawsuit j

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k

2004-02-13 Thread Arne Vogel
Matt Garman wrote: On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 12:34:32AM +0100, Spider wrote: other technologies that can be seen as "infringing" on some of MS turf. Its an easy, blunt lega weapon to weild against whole projects, stating that all progress past this point is only because you copied MS sources, wei

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k

2004-02-13 Thread Greg
Seriously the only real value I see in this is for someone to search for security holes by looking at the source. Otherwise I see no reason anyone should be interested in Mickey$oft code. Greg "Wazne sa tylko te dni, ktorych jeszcze nie znamy." - Marek Grechuta Jakub Krajcovic wrote: Hi guys

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k

2004-02-13 Thread Arne Vogel
Jakub Krajcovic wrote: Hi guys, i know this is totally OT, but if you don't mind, check out slashdot concernig %subject GPG public keys available at pgp.mit.edu Old news, really. The Win2000 core source code has been on the net for years. -> http://www.databasejournal.com/features/mssql/artic

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k

2004-02-13 Thread Jakub Krajcovic
This has also crossed my mind... I admit it really _does_ sound like conspiration theory, but then again i believe that micro$oft would not stop at _anything_ to get its way. Even if that means using such tactics. I just hope for the sake of Linux, all of its users, and in the long run "freedom of

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k

2004-02-13 Thread Matt Garman
On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 12:34:32AM +0100, Spider wrote: > other technologies that can be seen as "infringing" on some of MS > turf. Its an easy, blunt lega weapon to weild against whole projects, > stating that all progress past this point is only because you copied > MS sources, weilding a large b

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k

2004-02-13 Thread Matthew Baxa
On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 12:29, Andrew Gaffney wrote: > Jakub Krajcovic wrote: > > OH MY GOD!! It's true... I wonder if the words "microsoft" and > > "security" will ever be mentioned in the same sentence again... > > I've never been able to say the two words in the same sentence and keep a straight

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k

2004-02-13 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Jakub Krajcovic wrote: OH MY GOD!! It's true... I wonder if the words "microsoft" and "security" will ever be mentioned in the same sentence again... I've never been able to say the two words in the same sentence and keep a straight face ;) -- Andrew Gaffney Network Administrator Skyline Aeronauti

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k

2004-02-13 Thread Jakub Krajcovic
OH MY GOD!! It's true... I wonder if the words "microsoft" and "security" will ever be mentioned in the same sentence again... On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:53:36 -0500 Peter Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2004/Feb04/02-12windowssource.asp -- GPG public key

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k

2004-02-13 Thread Andrew Farmer
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:20:28 -0800, senectus muttered: ... > It's a hoax.. and not a very good one I believe.. It looks pretty real to me. It's hard to make up ~700MB of fake source code, and I'll be doing some spot-checking (on Reversi, perhaps) to see if some behaviours match. -- Andrew Farmer

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k

2004-02-13 Thread Peter Wu
On 12/02/2004 9:16 PM, senectus wrote: I didn't say that it IS a hoax.. I said I believe it's a hoax.. It is not a hoax, at least, Microsoft does not think so. http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2004/Feb04/02-12windowssource.asp -- Peter Wu Powered by Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600

RE: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k

2004-02-12 Thread senectus
btaining the source.. and I would know what to do with it if I had it anyway.. :-P -Original Message- From: Michiel ten Hagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 13 February 2004 10:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k How do you know its a ho

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k

2004-02-12 Thread Michiel ten Hagen
> It's a hoax.. and not a very good one I believe.. > > -Original Message- > From: Spider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, 13 February 2004 7:35 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k > > begin quote > On Fri,

RE: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k

2004-02-12 Thread senectus
the comments on that sites forum.. bunch of Lusers... :-P It's a hoax.. and not a very good one I believe.. -Original Message- From: Spider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 13 February 2004 7:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k begin qu

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k

2004-02-12 Thread Spider
begin quote On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:10:16 +0100 Jakub Krajcovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi guys, i know this is totally OT, but if you don't mind, check out > slashdot concernig %subject > I hope that you all display enough common sense not to download it, even if you just want to gloat a

[gentoo-user] OT: Win NT & 2k

2004-02-12 Thread Jakub Krajcovic
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