Re: Re[2]: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

begin quote On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 23:19:04 +0200 Sami Näätänen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 07 December 2003 21:46, Spider wrote: > > Check your CFLAGS, vorbis sounds -bad- when overoptimized. Its not > > even a bug, its a case of pebkac. > > -O2 hardly an over optimized, but this still c

Re: Re[2]: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

On Sunday 07 December 2003 21:46, Spider wrote: > begin quote > On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 21:34:14 +0200 > > Sami Näätänen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thursday 04 December 2003 16:45, Robert Cernansky wrote: > > > On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:56:49 +0200 Sami Näätanen > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >

Re: Re[2]: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

begin quote On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 21:34:14 +0200 Sami Näätänen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 04 December 2003 16:45, Robert Cernansky wrote: > > On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:56:49 +0200 Sami Näätanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > SN> For higher bit rates ogg produces worse quality, but

Re: Re[2]: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

On Thursday 04 December 2003 16:45, Robert Cernansky wrote: > On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:56:49 +0200 Sami Näätanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > SN> For higher bit rates ogg produces worse quality, but same goes > between > > Worse than what? Worse than ogg on lower bitrates or worse than mp3 > on sa

Re: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

Pierre-François Gomez wrote: At Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:56:24 +0100, Roel Schroeven wrote: ogg is really just a container format, like AVI. When is commonly referred to as ogg-compression is in fact vorbis-compression. AFAIK Vorbis is the only format currently commonly used within Ogg, but in the en

Re: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

At Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:56:24 +0100, Roel Schroeven wrote: > ogg is really just a container format, like AVI. When is commonly > referred to as ogg-compression is in fact vorbis-compression. AFAIK > Vorbis is the only format currently commonly used within Ogg, but in the > end it's supposed to be

Re: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

Alan wrote: On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 11:45:50AM -0600, Joel Konkle-Parker wrote: Quoting David Gethings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 14:44, Spider wrote: Well, if that's the case, may I suggest "flac" ? ( emerge flac ). OMG! Why have I not heard of this codec

Re: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

Joel Konkle-Parker wrote: Quoting David Gethings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 14:44, Spider wrote: Well, if that's the case, may I suggest "flac" ? ( emerge flac ). OMG! Why have I not heard of this codec before! This is exactly what I've been looking for! Thanks Spi

RE: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

> > On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 04:45, Joel Konkle-Parker wrote: > > Also, the Rio Karma > > > o.asp?model=220&cat=53> > > has FLAC and Ogg Vorbis support. > > Silly question, but does it have Linux support? :) > > [Presumably a USB mas

Re: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

Quoting Andrew Cowie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 04:45, Joel Konkle-Parker wrote: > > Also, the Rio Karma > > > > > has FLAC and Ogg Vorbis support. > > Silly question, but does it have Linux su

Re: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 04:45, Joel Konkle-Parker wrote: > Also, the Rio Karma > > has FLAC and Ogg Vorbis support. Silly question, but does it have Linux support? :) [Presumably a USB mass-storage driver device?]

Re: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

> > When you say "ogg-compatible" do you mean that it'll be identified as > > an > > ogg file by anything that plays ogg (the docs and FAQ aren't > > completely > > clear on this). IE: I can have completely lossless compression and > > have > > it appear to be an ogg file? Or am I missing somethin

Re: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

Quoting Alan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > In case you're wondering, you have to specify the --ogg option to make > it > > completely Ogg-compatible. Here's my flac line: > > > > $ flac -V --ogg -8 -o something.flac something.wav > > > > -V verifies the conversion > > -8 gives maximum (lossless) compr

Re: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

Frédéric COIFFIER wrote: > Le Jeudi 04 Décembre 2003 04:40, Norberto Bensa a écrit : > > Frédéric COIFFIER wrote: > > > I'm disappointed... > > > > I use Ogg to encode my CDs because at half the size > > of MP3 it sounds twice better. > > Ok. > So, what is the version of your Ogg Vorbis libraries ?

Re: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 11:45:50AM -0600, Joel Konkle-Parker wrote: > Quoting David Gethings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 14:44, Spider wrote: > > > Well, if that's the case, may I suggest "flac" ? ( emerge flac ). > > OMG! Why have I not heard of this codec before! This is ex

Re: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

Quoting David Gethings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 14:44, Spider wrote: > > Well, if that's the case, may I suggest "flac" ? ( emerge flac ). > OMG! Why have I not heard of this codec before! This is exactly what > I've been looking for! > > Thanks Spider! Now I have to re-rip m

Re: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

begin quote On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:56:49 +0200 "Sami Näätanen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sandly the sound in it self is not what it should be. Ie the sound > doesn't represent the sound it should. I have tested these with > 'Hells Bells' and there really is clear differences although my > hea

Re: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 15:44, Spider wrote: > begin quote > On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:56:49 +0200 > "Sami Näätanen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Sandly the sound in it self is not what it should be. Ie the sound > > doesn't represent the sound it should. I have tested these with > > 'Hells Bel

Re: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 04:40, Norberto Bensa wrote: > Frédéric COIFFIER wrote: > > I'm disappointed... > > Oookey... Thank you. Next!!! > > Seriously. Which files? Can you host a few samples so we can help you track > your problem? I use Ogg to encode my CDs because at half the size of MP3 it >

RE: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

> > > Sandly the sound in it self is not what it should be. Ie the sound > > > doesn't represent the sound it should. I have tested these with > > > 'Hells Bells' and there really is clear differences although my > > > hearing is not even closely thesame level as with my > wifes. She is > >

Re[2]: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:56:49 +0200 Sami Näätanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: SN> For higher bit rates ogg produces worse quality, but same goes between Worse than what? Worse than ogg on lower bitrates or worse than mp3 on same bitrate? Robert. -- Robert Cernansky E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabb

Re: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

begin quote On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:19:25 +0100 Redeeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 15:44, Spider wrote: > > begin quote > > On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:56:49 +0200 > > "Sami Näätanen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Sandly the sound in it self is not what it should b

Re: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 14:44, Spider wrote: > Well, if that's the case, may I suggest "flac" ? ( emerge flac ). OMG! Why have I not heard of this codec before! This is exactly what I've been looking for! Thanks Spider! Now I have to re-rip my CD collection. ;) Cheers Dg -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ma

Re: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

On Thursday 04 December 2003 05:40, Norberto Bensa wrote: > Frédéric COIFFIER wrote: > > I'm disappointed... > > Oookey... Thank you. Next!!! > > Seriously. Which files? Can you host a few samples so we can help you track > your problem? I use Ogg to encode my CDs because at half the size of MP3 it

Re: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

Frédéric COIFFIER wrote: > I'm disappointed... Oookey... Thank you. Next!!! Seriously. Which files? Can you host a few samples so we can help you track your problem? I use Ogg to encode my CDs because at half the size of MP3 it sounds twice better. Regards, Norberto pgp0.pgp Description:

Re: [gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 03 December 2003 06:35 pm, Frédéric COIFFIER wrote: > - WAV file to MP3 with LAME (3378363 bytes) > - WAV file to Ogg with quality 0 (1755884 bytes) > - WAV file to Ogg with quality 3 (3117706 bytes) > - WAV file to Ogg with quality 5 (460

[gentoo-user] Ogg Vorbis very bad quality (compared to MP3)

Hello all, I was surprised by the bad quality of my Ogg Vorbis file. Usually, I only use oggenc without specific quality (-q option). So I make the following test : - WAV file to MP3 with LAME (3378363 bytes) - WAV file to Ogg with quality 0 (1755884 bytes) - WAV file to Ogg with quality 3 (3117