Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Advice needed regarding udisks

>> This is actually a portage question. How can I install udisks-2 in a >> way that will fix this problem? I'm confused by how to handle the >> slotting behavior. >>> >>> I think the issue here is that we are not understanding what the >>> problem is. It happens with an application in

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and initramfs

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 23:08:43 +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > Additionally I would really like to understand how to influence the > default entry for grub2 ... letting grub2-mkconfig detect the available > options is one thing ... but do I really have to count down the > available kernels and

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and initramfs

Am 20.08.2013 08:54, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: > Unless you want to learn the ins and outs of using an initramfs (and > having a lot of fun and failed boots in the process), I highly > recommend using Dracut. It does everything for you. I'd dig a short and working howto "systemd and dracut".

Re: [gentoo-user] re: xfce4-sensors-plugin pulling in nvidia-settings

No worries then. Thanks very much for the explanation. On Aug 22, 2013 10:31 PM, "Samuli Suominen" wrote: > On 22/08/13 22:22, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: > >> What course of action would you recommend taking with regard to my >> original post? >> > > I'm not sure if I understand your problem but..

Re: [gentoo-user] re: xfce4-sensors-plugin pulling in nvidia-settings

Understood. Thanks. What course of action would you recommend taking with regard to my original post? Thanks. On Aug 22, 2013 10:17 PM, "Samuli Suominen" wrote: > On 22/08/13 22:03, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: > >> On 08/22/2013 09:59 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: >> >>> As I figured in the package

Re: [gentoo-user] re: xfce4-sensors-plugin pulling in nvidia-settings

On 22/08/13 22:22, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: What course of action would you recommend taking with regard to my original post? I'm not sure if I understand your problem but... Looks like nvidia-drivers-319.32 was stabilized without stabilizing nvidia-settings-319.32 together with it. You can f

Re: [gentoo-user] re: xfce4-sensors-plugin pulling in nvidia-settings

On 22/08/13 22:03, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: On 08/22/2013 09:59 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: As I figured in the package's changelog, some work on it is being done by Samuli Suominen . He is also on this list, so I guess he could get involved as soon as he reads the list. Understood. Thanks. Le

Re: [gentoo-user] re: xfce4-sensors-plugin pulling in nvidia-settings

On 08/22/2013 09:59 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: > As I figured in the package's changelog, some work on it is being done > by Samuli Suominen . He is also on this list, so > I guess he could get involved as soon as he reads the list. Understood. Thanks. Let's wait and hear from Samuli Suominen th

Re: [gentoo-user] re: xfce4-sensors-plugin pulling in nvidia-settings

On 22.08.2013 22:49, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: On 08/22/2013 09:27 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: I think this could be reported to the maintainer of the xfce4 plugin. The maintainer field for the xfce4-sensors plugin seems to be undefined: box0=; equery meta xfce4-sensors-plugin-1.2.5|grep -i mai

Re: [gentoo-user] re: xfce4-sensors-plugin pulling in nvidia-settings

On 08/22/2013 09:27 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: > I think this could be reported to the maintainer of the xfce4 plugin. The maintainer field for the xfce4-sensors plugin seems to be undefined: box0=; equery meta xfce4-sensors-plugin-1.2.5|grep -i maintainer Maintainer: None specified Who would

Re: [gentoo-user] re: xfce4-sensors-plugin pulling in nvidia-settings

On 08/22/2013 09:27 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: > I guess it's rather obvious. > The two packages x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers and > media-video/nvidia-settings don't know about each other. > The xfce4-sensors-plugin package needs nv-settings but it simply > doesn't know that nv-settings is already i

Re: [gentoo-user] re: xfce4-sensors-plugin pulling in nvidia-settings

On 22.08.2013 21:37, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: The version of the nvidia driver and nvidia settings I emerged is: box0=; equery list '*'|grep nvidia-driver x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-319.32 I then emerged xfce4 as well as the xfce4-sensors-plugin (box0=; equery list '*'|grep xfce4-sensors-plugin

Re: [gentoo-user] Two RTCs - how to choose in dependence of existence to eth0

Am 22.08.2013 19:24, schrieb meino.cra...@gmx.de: > Hi, > > there are two RTC in my system. One is powered by the > power of the system itsself and will forget space and > time if the system is powered off. This is RTC0. > The second one is powered by a little CR3216. This one > will not forget t

Re: [gentoo-user] re: xfce4-sensors-plugin pulling in nvidia-settings

On 08/22/2013 09:06 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > xfce4-sensors-plugin is not what's doing it. It only requires > nvidia-settings and doesn't care what version. So that's not it. > > There's really only one explanation - something else is pulling in > nvidia-settings and xfce4-sensors-plugin is leavin

Re: [gentoo-user] re: xfce4-sensors-plugin pulling in nvidia-settings

On 22/08/2013 20:02, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: > On 08/22/2013 08:42 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> You don't have two versions of nvidia-settings. >> You have one version of nvidia-drivers and one version of >> nvidia-settings, and they don't have the same version number. >> >> This is normal, nvidia-

Re: [gentoo-user] re: xfce4-sensors-plugin pulling in nvidia-settings

On 08/22/2013 08:42 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > You don't have two versions of nvidia-settings. > You have one version of nvidia-drivers and one version of > nvidia-settings, and they don't have the same version number. > > This is normal, nvidia-settings often runs behind nvidia-drivers. They > do

Re: [gentoo-user] re: xfce4-sensors-plugin pulling in nvidia-settings

On 22/08/2013 19:37, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: > When setting up the X server and the proprietary ndivia driver, as > described here (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/NVidia/nvidia-drivers), I > emerged nvidia-settings, as suggested in the wiki article, The drivers > can be installed with the *gtk* USE

[gentoo-user] re: xfce4-sensors-plugin pulling in nvidia-settings

When setting up the X server and the proprietary ndivia driver, as described here (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/NVidia/nvidia-drivers), I emerged nvidia-settings, as suggested in the wiki article, The drivers can be installed with the *gtk* USE flag set in /etc/portage/make.conf. This will install

[gentoo-user] Two RTCs - how to choose in dependence of existence to eth0

Hi, there are two RTC in my system. One is powered by the power of the system itsself and will forget space and time if the system is powered off. This is RTC0. The second one is powered by a little CR3216. This one will not forget the time. This is RTC1 The system itsself is portable and will be

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

On 08/22/2013 06:11 PM, Marc Stürmer wrote: > Am 22.08.2013 18:08, schrieb hasufell: > >> I was arguing from both sides. It is buggy, crashes a lot, consumes a >> lot of ressources and is able to slow down your whole desktop, mess with >> audio settings and whatnot. > > Well, your opinion. > Pr

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

Am 22.08.2013 18:08, schrieb hasufell: I was arguing from both sides. It is buggy, crashes a lot, consumes a lot of ressources and is able to slow down your whole desktop, mess with audio settings and whatnot. Well, your opinion. In my opinion the ease of use out of the box for the end user i

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

On 08/22/2013 06:05 PM, Marc Stürmer wrote: > Am 22.08.2013 17:58, schrieb hasufell: > >> You probably missed those hundreds of bugs we devs and also users were >> faced with, including linkage against non-existing sonames, random >> crashes and breakage when the binary is stripped. >> >> So this

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

Am 22.08.2013 17:58, schrieb hasufell: You probably missed those hundreds of bugs we devs and also users were faced with, including linkage against non-existing sonames, random crashes and breakage when the binary is stripped. So this is somewhat wrong information. It's like saying windows work

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

On 08/22/2013 05:49 PM, Marc Stürmer wrote: > And why not? Because most users just want a program that works right out > of the box for them without problems and Skype is just that. It went > great lengths to achieve this goal. > You probably missed those hundreds of bugs we devs and also users w

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

Am 20.08.2013 17:12, schrieb Randy Westlund: For a multitude of reasons, I'd like to get rid of skype. I've heard several people mention jitsi, but was surprised to find that it's not in the portage tree. Well, there's always been something being called a Skype killer over the last few year

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 08:59:07AM +0200, Jean-Christophe Bach wrote: > Well, it depends on what you call a replacement: Jitsi and Ekiga can do > the work as well as Skype, but not with the Skype protocol and > "network". But if your contacts do not care about it, it's ok. > I tried Jitsi last year

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and initramfs

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 14:55:58 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > No thanks you. As Alan said, portage doesn't have a mechanism to run a > > command after a batch emerge, it would have to be done after every > > single package. So the next time a bunch of Perl packages and their > > virtuals are updated

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and initramfs

On Thu, August 22, 2013 11:17, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 08:20:23 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: > >> No one has demonstrated that it can. An initramfs isn't magic, it >> > caries out a couple of trivial tasks before switching to the real root >> > partition. >> >> The issue mentioned

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and initramfs

On Thu, August 22, 2013 11:07, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 10:23:57 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: > >> True, but with the scripts that are floating in this thread, a usable >> solution can be build. > > It took me a few seconds to do that, so why hasn't it been done before? > It's obvio

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and initramfs

On 22/08/2013 13:47, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > > On Aug 22, 2013 1:28 PM, "J. Roeleveld" > wrote: >> Correct, and here lies the cause for the "out of sync" scenario. >> >> > So the only "out of sync" scenario that should matter is with the >> > kernel or kernel modules

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and initramfs

On Aug 22, 2013 1:28 PM, "J. Roeleveld" wrote: > Correct, and here lies the cause for the "out of sync" scenario. > > > So the only "out of sync" scenario that should matter is with the > > kernel or kernel modules. Even if it were out of sync with your > > current toolset it should still be able

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and initramfs

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 07:26:38 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > So the only "out of sync" scenario that should matter is with the > > kernel or kernel modules. Even if it were out of sync with your > > current toolset it should still be able > > to perform the pivot. Shouldn't any "userland stuff" tha

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and initramfs

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 08:20:23 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: > No one has demonstrated that it can. An initramfs isn't magic, it > > caries out a couple of trivial tasks before switching to the real root > > partition. > > The issue mentioned was an example. It was also: > 1) The only one I can rem

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and initramfs

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 10:23:57 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: > True, but with the scripts that are floating in this thread, a usable > solution can be build. It took me a few seconds to do that, so why hasn't it been done before? It's obviously not due to the work involved, so it must be that no one i

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and initramfs

On Thu, August 22, 2013 08:39, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 22/08/2013 08:20, J. Roeleveld wrote: >> On Wed, August 21, 2013 22:02, Neil Bothwick wrote: >>> On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:50:57 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: >>> > > [snip] > >>> No one has demonstrated that it can. An initramfs isn't magic, it >>> c