On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 10:35 -0400, ABCD wrote:
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> Daniel Troeder wrote:
> > On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 14:24 +0200, Daniel Troeder wrote:
> >> * Where can I find old "news"? With "eselect news read all" I get
> >> nothing. Did I maybe "purge" it?... th
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Daniel Troeder wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 14:24 +0200, Daniel Troeder wrote:
>> * Where can I find old "news"? With "eselect news read all" I get
>> nothing. Did I maybe "purge" it?... that brings me back to my first
>> question :)
> Hmm... from an
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Daniel Troeder wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 11:16 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>> On Sunday 05 April 2009 21:45:16 Daniel Troeder wrote:
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>>> When updates hit the portage tree, that are known to cause problems to
>>> lots of people - why not tell t
On Monday 06 April 2009 19:53:51 Francesco Talamona wrote:
> Why in some circumstances emerge is perfectly able to spot user omission
> and fill-in it automatically, while with other options it just
> complains?
>
> The inability to add missing "=" and the inconsistence annoy me. IMHO
> emerge shou
On Friday 03 April 2009, Wyatt Epp wrote:
> Greets,
>
> So while gearing up for the Summer of Code, I noted a lot of things
> that I had come to accept as normal that I feel should not be so.
> Things like the danger of depclean or the way portage will only show
> one mask at a time. So I was cur
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 14:52:05 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> I just thought of this one. Sometimes devs love to change ebuilds
> without bumping them. That's annoying; a bug gets fixed and you don't
> know about it because "emerge -u" doesn't find any newer version or
> revision.
That's a
Wyatt Epp wrote:
Greets,
So while gearing up for the Summer of Code, I noted a lot of things that
I had come to accept as normal that I feel should not be so. Things
like the danger of depclean or the way portage will only show one mask
at a time. So I was curious...what have people that ar
Mike Edenfield wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> On Friday 03 April 2009, Daniel da Veiga wrote:
>>>
>>> I would still think its a problema.
>>> People would install Gentoo, get a functional system, not read the
>>> handbook, and flood the forums and this mailing list with already
>>> answere
On Sun, 5 Apr 2009 00:38:45 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> There is such a thing as a prerequisite level of expertise. Every field
> has this and every field SHOULD enforce it. You don't get to drive a
> car on a public road till you have proven that you have learned how to
> drive a car, and you d
On Sunday 05 April 2009 00:07:12 Mike Edenfield wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > This mythical thing - a working installer - probably does not exist and
> > likely never will.
>
> This may be true, and it certainly is the case right now.
> But that's not a good reason to reject one out of hand
> b
On Sunday 05 April 2009 00:11:08 Mike Edenfield wrote:
> > I would still think its a problema.
> > People would install Gentoo, get a functional system, not read the
> > handbook, and flood the forums and this mailing list with already
> > answered and handbook questions.
>
> Aside from this being
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Friday 03 April 2009, Daniel da Veiga wrote:
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 17:11, Mike Edenfield wrote:
On 4/3/2009 3:38 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
there is no installer anymore. And that is a good thing.
I will agree that an installer doesn't belong near the top
Daniel da Veiga wrote:
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 17:11, Mike Edenfield wrote:
On 4/3/2009 3:38 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
there is no installer anymore. And that is a good thing.
I will agree that an installer doesn't belong near the top of anyones "show
stopper" list of Gentoo defects. G
Alan McKinnon wrote:
This mythical thing - a working installer - probably does not exist and likely
never will.
This may be true, and it certainly is the case right now.
But that's not a good reason to reject one out of hand
before you even see it.
There are just too many decisions the hum
I am using Gentoo for some years now, and installing Gentoo on a new
box isn't hard at all, but you have to be prepared. You need a running
linux-system, a live-CD (or USB-Stick), and the handbook.
So, i have SLAX and the handbook on my USB-Stick which i use to install
Gentoo. Boot SLAX, look at t
On Saturday 04 April 2009 10:59:35 ABCD wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > What could work is a way to do these checks during the initial phase so
> > you get told about it before the actual building starts, just like with
> > blockers.
>
> Which is exactly how it works, now, with the new USE-deps (
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 02:24:58 +0300, Arttu V. wrote:
[...]
- Difficulty of predicting how long some new package compilations (with
dependencies, upgrades and revdep-rebuilds etc) will actually take
(genlop -t only knows about individual packages that have been emerged
befo
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Alan McKinnon wrote:
> What could work is a way to do these checks during the initial phase so you
> get told about it before the actual building starts, just like with blockers.
>
Which is exactly how it works, now, with the new USE-deps (before yo
* Nikos Chantziaras (rea...@arcor.de) [04.04.09 03:55]:
>
> I thought about it and I would still like an installer. People asked me
> "I want that too" after they see what Gentoo can do and is about. I
> could help them learn to keep their Gentoo healthy and running, but I am
> not willing to
Dan Cowsill wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Daniel da Veiga
> wrote:
>
>> I would still think its a problema.
>> People would install Gentoo, get a functional system, not read the
>> handbook, and flood the forums and this mailing list with already
>> answered and handbook questions.
On Saturday 04 April 2009 09:59:15 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:45:01 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > bash
> > vi
> > tar
> > emerge
> >
> > Note that these are the *exact* *same* *tools* you are going to use
> > every day after the install is done.
>
> You must be joking, I wouldn'
On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:45:01 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> bash
> vi
> tar
> emerge
>
> Note that these are the *exact* *same* *tools* you are going to use
> every day after the install is done.
You must be joking, I wouldn't be caught dead using the first two ;-)
--
Neil Bothwick
DCE seeks D
On Friday 03 April 2009 22:11:28 Mike Edenfield wrote:
> On 4/3/2009 3:38 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > there is no installer anymore. And that is a good thing.
>
> I will agree that an installer doesn't belong near the top of anyones
> "show stopper" list of Gentoo defects. Gentoo doesn't *
On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
> On Saturday 04 April 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>> And besides, what
>> have the clueless done to you? :D Just let them be.
>
> well, I try to be a good member of the community - and that means helping in
> the forum. And it sucks
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>> maybe, but at the high time of the installer the forum was full with
>> clueless (and it still is). Following the handbook is not hard.
>
> If you don't have a second PC, it's not easy either. An
On Saturday 04 April 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > [...]
> > maybe, but at the high time of the installer the forum was full with
> > clueless (and it still is). Following the handbook is not hard.
>
> If you don't have a second PC, it's not easy either.
I wrote
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>> maybe, but at the high time of the installer the forum was full with
>> clueless (and it still is). Following the handbook is not hard.
>
> If you don't have a second PC, it's not easy either. An
Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> On Friday 03 April 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Friday 03 April 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> Its installer. I would prefer something like Sabayon's installer
> (which
> is a Gentoo-b
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
[...]
maybe, but at the high time of the installer the forum was full with clueless
(and it still is). Following the handbook is not hard.
If you don't have a second PC, it's not easy either. And besides, what
have the clueless done to you? :D Just let them be.
On Saturday 04 April 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Friday 03 April 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> >>> On Friday 03 April 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> Its installer. I would prefer something like Sabayon's installer
>
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Friday 03 April 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Friday 03 April 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Its installer. I would prefer something like Sabayon's installer (which
is a Gentoo-based distro.)
there is no installer anymore. And th
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Daniel da Veiga wrote:
> I would still think its a problema.
> People would install Gentoo, get a functional system, not read the
> handbook, and flood the forums and this mailing list with already
> answered and handbook questions.
> Daniel da Veiga
>
I think the
On Friday 03 April 2009, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 22:15:40 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > > He asked what annoys me, and I answered truthfully :P
> >
> > yeah, but if you think about it for a moment you will see that an
> > installer is the WRONG THING and then you won't be
On Friday 03 April 2009, Daniel da Veiga wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 17:11, Mike Edenfield wrote:
> > On 4/3/2009 3:38 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> >> there is no installer anymore. And that is a good thing.
> >
> > I will agree that an installer doesn't belong near the top of anyones
> >
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 17:11, Mike Edenfield wrote:
> On 4/3/2009 3:38 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>
>> there is no installer anymore. And that is a good thing.
>
> I will agree that an installer doesn't belong near the top of anyones "show
> stopper" list of Gentoo defects. Gentoo doesn't *n
On 4/3/2009 3:38 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
there is no installer anymore. And that is a good thing.
I will agree that an installer doesn't belong near the top of anyones
"show stopper" list of Gentoo defects. Gentoo doesn't *need* an
installer and all previous attempts at one have bee
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 22:15:40 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > He asked what annoys me, and I answered truthfully :P
>
> yeah, but if you think about it for a moment you will see that an
> installer is the WRONG THING and then you won't be annoyed anymore but
> glad.
Didn't we have this di
On Friday 03 April 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Friday 03 April 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >> Wyatt Epp wrote:
> >>> Greets,
> >>>
> >>> So while gearing up for the Summer of Code, I noted a lot of things
> >>> that I had come to accept as normal that I
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Friday 03 April 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Wyatt Epp wrote:
Greets,
So while gearing up for the Summer of Code, I noted a lot of things that
I had come to accept as normal that I feel should not be so. Things
like the danger of depclean or the way portage wi
On Friday 03 April 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> Wyatt Epp wrote:
> > Greets,
> >
> > So while gearing up for the Summer of Code, I noted a lot of things that
> > I had come to accept as normal that I feel should not be so. Things
> > like the danger of depclean or the way portage will only sho
Wyatt Epp wrote:
Greets,
So while gearing up for the Summer of Code, I noted a lot of things that
I had come to accept as normal that I feel should not be so. Things
like the danger of depclean or the way portage will only show one mask
at a time. So I was curious...what have people that ar
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